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05-21-2010 04:43 AM
JiffyLube Well said.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wind_magic View Post
Interesting thread.

I think people just have different perspectives on the same thing.

To one person the only way to paint the bottom is to use the best paint possible, all the best techniques, put the boat in a good environment to get the best results, and all the rest. That person is trying to perfect the paint job.

Another person might skimp on the paint a little bit, not use the best tools, cut a few corners here and there, etc. That person might be trying to perfect the boat using the money they have available to them, and the paint job is only one of the many things that money has to be used for so they try to get the best bang for the buck.

Yet another person might do a lousy job of painting the boat, just enough to be functional without caring how it looks so long as it works, and they might be reluctant to spend money on the boat in general, just doing the basics to keep her in good working order so that it can be used safely for its purpose. The boat might just be a small part of what the person is dealing with, they may also be cruising long distances, or flying airplanes, or sending their children to college, the boat may just be one part of a much larger picture. That person may be trying to perfect their life, a life that has a boat in it, but isn't just about having a perfect boat with a perfect paint job.

I think this is the core of the "air conditioning vs. no air conditioning" type threads because you have some cruisers out there who believe in maximizing comfort and luxury on the boat, then you have other cruisers out there for whom the boat is only a part of their cruise, many of them are going the distance and buying that plasma display would mean they wouldn't be going to see the pyramids, so they are willing to sacrifice many "must haves" on the boat in order to make room for other things in their lives.

We always get purists on these threads who swear their way is the only way, that it has to be done with the best tools, the best techniques, and they can always justify it by saying that anything less would be inferior, but they are often neglecting to mention the costs involved, what they give up in order to achieve that perfection, etc. I think there is a "good enough" in most cases, it doesn't always have to be the biggest and the best, sometimes the best is whatever works for you.

"Then she lay down in the third bed, and it was just right." - Goldilocks and the Three Bears.
05-20-2010 10:01 AM
LookingForCruiser
Quote:
Originally Posted by bljones View Post
Proper maintenance does not require a boat to be out of service for long lengths of time. ironically, deferred maintenance, and years of "good enough" will eventually mean that a boat will have to miss a season, because EVERYTHING will need to be redone, all at once.
Sooooo true.

I'm busting my hump trying to get all the issues caused by the previous owner's lousy "repairs" fixed, so I can get my boat launched in July.
05-19-2010 10:44 PM
mitiempo RhythmDoctor
You said it and it arrived in my email - not in the trash.

My mistake on the bilge pump. I reread it and you did say you might connect it to another wire that will be always be hot. But without running a second wire I guess the water pump will also be hot all the time. I guess it will be good enough.
05-19-2010 09:50 PM
TakeFive
Quote:
Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
The quote below is from RhythmDoctor. He obviously didn't learn much because on another thread he has tagged his bilge pump onto the wire that goes to his pressure water pump. When he leaves the boat and properly turns the switch off his bilge pump will not be active...
I deleted the message you quoted a minute after posting it. I decided to follow my own advice and ignore these unproductive exchanges. It really wasn't so noteworthy that you had to dig it up out of the trash. I should have ignored this sideshow to begin with, and going forward I will ignore any attempts to prolong this worthless discussion.

As for the bilge pump install that you curiously referred to in the wrong tense, I actually have not started on it. I am still collecting information, and I welcome constructive suggestions over on that thread.

I need to correct you on another inaccuracy. I explicitly said that I would rewire the bilge pump so that it was always hot:
Quote:
Originally Posted by RhythmDoctor View Post
...Although there is not enough space to run another wire along this path, I could attach this wire to the master terminals in the panel (i.e., always hot)...
I could say more, but I think that is, er, good enough.
05-19-2010 07:47 PM
CharlieCobra I like the term HTFU...., always have....

If'n ya don't recognize the term, watch this: YouTube - Chopper - Harden Up Australia!
05-19-2010 07:40 PM
bljones RD, why do you confuse honesty with rudeness?
You have had an issue with my posts in the past. If you don't like what I write, ignore it. If you don't want to ignore it, then pull up your underroos and HTFU, buttercup.
05-19-2010 07:03 PM
pdqaltair
Quote:
Originally Posted by bljones View Post
Who have I been demeaning? If you feel you have been demeaned because we disagree, and I explained why my opinion is different than yours, then that is your problem, not mine.

What exactly is my point?
As i stated above,
"Proper maintenance does not require a boat to be out of service for long lengths of time. ironically, deferred maintenance, and years of "good enough" will eventually mean that a boat will have to miss a season, because EVERYTHING will need to be redone, all at once.

I figure, "Good enough" comes from either ignorance, a lack of skill, a lack of interest, or a lack of interest in developing the skills, not a lack of time or money."

Everything I hear from the "Good enough" proponents is excuses.
1. " I don't have enough time."
2. "I don't have enough money."
3. "I don't have the tools."
4. "I don't know how."

I used to have the same excuses. I got past it, because i realized they were just that: excuses.
I believe you overlooked...
5. Don't give a s__t .

This can refer to either the outcome of a specific project or or the boat in general. I don't think it's a long term strategy, but it's often in play in business, marriage, and life.

Sometimes you get away with it. Sometimes you're BP.
05-19-2010 07:00 PM
knothead
Quote:
Originally Posted by wind_magic View Post
Interesting thread.

I think people just have different perspectives on the same thing.

To one person the only way to paint the bottom is to use the best paint possible, all the best techniques, put the boat in a good environment to get the best results, and all the rest. That person is trying to perfect the paint job.

Another person might skimp on the paint a little bit, not use the best tools, cut a few corners here and there, etc. That person might be trying to perfect the boat using the money they have available to them, and the paint job is only one of the many things that money has to be used for so they try to get the best bang for the buck.

Yet another person might do a lousy job of painting the boat, just enough to be functional without caring how it looks so long as it works, and they might be reluctant to spend money on the boat in general, just doing the basics to keep her in good working order so that it can be used safely for its purpose. The boat might just be a small part of what the person is dealing with, they may also be cruising long distances, or flying airplanes, or sending their children to college, the boat may just be one part of a much larger picture. That person may be trying to perfect their life, a life that has a boat in it, but isn't just about having a perfect boat with a perfect paint job.

I think this is the core of the "air conditioning vs. no air conditioning" type threads because you have some cruisers out there who believe in maximizing comfort and luxury on the boat, then you have other cruisers out there for whom the boat is only a part of their cruise, many of them are going the distance and buying that plasma display would mean they wouldn't be going to see the pyramids, so they are willing to sacrifice many "must haves" on the boat in order to make room for other things in their lives.

We always get purists on these threads who swear their way is the only way, that it has to be done with the best tools, the best techniques, and they can always justify it by saying that anything less would be inferior, but they are often neglecting to mention the costs involved, what they give up in order to achieve that perfection, etc. I think there is a "good enough" in most cases, it doesn't always have to be the biggest and the best, sometimes the best is whatever works for you.

"Then she lay down in the third bed, and it was just right." - Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

Great post!
05-19-2010 06:49 PM
mitiempo The quote below is from RhythmDoctor. He obviously didn't learn much because on another thread he has tagged his bilge pump onto the wire that goes to his pressure water pump. When he leaves the boat and properly turns the switch off his bilge pump will not be active. Unless he leaves the switch on all the time. Another "good enough" fix that the next owner will have to sort out someday.

From RhythmDoctor:
05-19-2010 06:32 PM
pdqaltair
Quote:
Originally Posted by wind_magic View Post
Interesting thread.

I think people just have different perspectives on the same thing.

To one person the only way to paint the bottom is to use the best paint possible, all the best techniques, put the boat in a good environment to get the best results, and all the rest. That person is trying to perfect the paint job.

Another person might skimp on the paint a little bit, not use the best tools, cut a few corners here and there, etc. That person might be trying to perfect the boat using the money they have available to them, and the paint job is only one of the many things that money has to be used for so they try to get the best bang for the buck.

Yet another person might do a lousy job of painting the boat, just enough to be functional without caring how it looks so long as it works, and they might be reluctant to spend money on the boat in general, just doing the basics to keep her in good working order so that it can be used safely for its purpose. The boat might just be a small part of what the person is dealing with, they may also be cruising long distances, or flying airplanes, or sending their children to college, the boat may just be one part of a much larger picture. That person may be trying to perfect their life, a life that has a boat in it, but isn't just about having a perfect boat with a perfect paint job.

I think this is the core of the "air conditioning vs. no air conditioning" type threads because you have some cruisers out there who believe in maximizing comfort and luxury on the boat, then you have other cruisers out there for whom the boat is only a part of their cruise, many of them are going the distance and buying that plasma display would mean they wouldn't be going to see the pyramids, so they are willing to sacrifice many "must haves" on the boat in order to make room for other things in their lives.

We always get purists on these threads who swear their way is the only way, that it has to be done with the best tools, the best techniques, and they can always justify it by saying that anything less would be inferior, but they are often neglecting to mention the costs involved, what they give up in order to achieve that perfection, etc. I think there is a "good enough" in most cases, it doesn't always have to be the biggest and the best, sometimes the best is whatever works for you.

"Then she lay down in the third bed, and it was just right." - Goldilocks and the Three Bears.
Nice post.
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