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06-05-2010 04:44 PM
SJ34 I have friends who have the 25 and 26. The 26 has pretty decent performance and is very roomy but I just can't get my head around intentionally flooding a boat.
The 25 is also a decent boat but the keel needs work. My 24 had a swing keel that was an excellent starting point for the mods I made. It was encapsulated iron (not so great) but had a nice bulb'ish shape to start with. The 25 has a pretty cobby hunk of iron. It can be modified if you're handy with epoxy.

We were able to sail to Scorpion Cove at Santa Cruz Island for the Memorial Day Holiday. The bottom there is very soft sand and we made three attempts to set a hook. The wind shifted 180 degrees 4 times on Sunday and wrapped the chain around the anchore in a pretty nice snarl. I reset that evening with bow and stern anchors for a solid set the rest of the weekend. Weather was mid 70's all weekend with enough breeze to keep the brine flies away.

Had a little drama sunday when a small powerboat drifted into us while I was cooking dinner below. He was dragging an 8lbs fishermans anchor and a 5gal. bucket of cement on about 20' of rode in 20' of water. He was drifting out to sea when his anchor snagged our rode and used it as a zip line to our bow. There was nobody on board the powerboat so I had to go ashore and find the owners. They were camping .5 mile inland, completely oblivious. Their neighbors knew who I was looking for because they had been having trouble anchoring all day. Their Sevylore pool floaty was flat so they commandeered an unattended kayake to get to the boat.

The next morning they were tied up to the Park Service buoy.
05-29-2010 04:55 PM
luvoceanlife Thank you for asking. Its going pretty well. So far I'm figuring out what I don't want to buy. Also, a spouse of one of my coworkers has been mentoring me and provides sound advice. Thus far I've been considering hte Mac 25, 26S ansd 26D. Not sure how I feel about the water ballast so I'm still thinking on it. Also was considering the Cat22, Hunter 23 and Oday 222. I will first need to save more money for the right boat. That has been one of my first lesson. The other thing I am going to stick with is the year the boat was built. I think I'd like to go 1985 to the present for what I'm looking for. So that is where I am. Have you been able to get out much yet?
05-29-2010 11:52 AM
SJ34 Luvoceanlife, how is the search for a sailboat going?
05-19-2010 03:06 PM
DropTop $200

I came up with that because the engine is probably worth $700, and it'll cost you $500 to dispose of the hull
05-19-2010 12:35 PM
CaptKermie
MacGregor = Hobby Starter kit

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Originally Posted by luvoceanlife View Post
So just to be clear the most of you feel the MacGregor is a bottom of the line, poorly made/rigged boat? Is it like the ford of boats (though I know this has changed a bit over the years)?
OK, lets compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
In the 23'-27' range most of the sailboats are fairly similar in construction and rigging (with a few exceptions of course), they are basically entry level pocket cruisers, and are built to be affordable to the first time buyer. MacGregor just happens to have cornered the market in this niche, so there is no shortage of them. If you check the factory site you will see they are contructed cookie cutter production line style. This cuts back on manufacturing costs and makes the boat affordable. They are not intended for heavy bluewater use but rather inland lake or protected coastal waters. The light construction and cookie cutter fabrication earns them a bad rep but never the less they are popular and get folks out there on the water for their first time.
I bought a 2003 26M MacGregor brand spanking new in 2003 but I have had to spend almost the boats original value to finish building my hobby starter kit boat and add all the extra finishing touches, like electronics and extra rigging and sails and everything else you can think of. Still the boat gets me all over the Puget Sound, San Juans & Gulf Islands and the Georgia Strait, so it is sturdy enough for my venue. It may not be blue water but the Georgia Strait can get pretty snotty & ugly when Mother Nature throws a tantrum. MacGregors are what they are but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are bottom of the barrel because they sell every boat that is manufactured and they build two or more per day, people are buying them.
05-19-2010 11:59 AM
puddinlegs no... more like the AMC of boats. That said, there's a mint Gremlin in the neighborhood that still oddly cool.
05-19-2010 07:39 AM
luvoceanlife So just to be clear the most of you feel the MacGregor is a bottom of the line, poorly made/rigged boat? Is it like the ford of boats (though I know this has changed a bit over the years)?
05-19-2010 04:07 AM
puddinlegs
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On a broad reach-run in 10-12 knots of breeze and in the right sea state it would out run most boats up to mid 40 footers. At 13 knots it would bury the mast in the water and below 10 knots it was limited to hull speed. Do the math Puddlin, 300 sqft of sail area and 2300lbs displacement. The 24 also had a hull that was conducive to surfing if you could keep it upright.

No offense to MacGregor owners, I loved that boat and only sold it because I had to. Just stating the facts in my earlier comments.

Let me copy and past my own post, the important part bolded for your pleasure! :

and waterline physics says it isn't unless you're planing

Done 17 kts in a Moore 24 (2050lbs, 123 sf main + 397 sf spin....) surfing. Large waves, 25 kts of breeze. Not 10 kts. Let's just say I'm still skeptical of your claim. But enough highjacking for the both of us. I think the OP found some good ideas that might be more worth his while.
05-18-2010 02:22 PM
bljones A Newport 23 (aka Venture 23, aka Venture of Newport 23, aka Mcgregor Venture 23, aka... you get the idea) isn't a bad little boat. A cutter rig, decent accomodation, low cost. Tender? I dunno. A member here, Heinzir, has had some real adventures in his, and would probably be happy to give you some first hand info. Send him a pm.

Slideshow of pictures, photos, and videos, from webshots

Regarding the boat in your link, what is the asking price?
05-18-2010 11:15 AM
luvoceanlife Thanks for the advice.
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