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06-19-2010 10:17 AM
L0ngh0rns I misunderstood mpickering when he said $5000 for the C27. I thought he meant $5000 for Survey. I ended up getting a survey and the boat is in great shape. Thanks for all of your help and I look forward to being an active member of the community. I think i got a great deal on a solid boat and will post picks of her when I get a chance.
06-17-2010 11:45 AM
mitiempo Not only do insurers require a survey, but most marinas require insurance. The amount you spend on a survey will likely be the best investment you make. Pre survey the boat yourself to make sure it is worthy but do hire a qualified surveyor.
06-16-2010 10:27 PM
bljones If you think a survey is expensive, wait 'til you see what everything else costs.
Look, a survey on a Tanzer 27 should run you about $350-400. If the surveyor finds one thing that you hadn't noticed, one thing that allows you to negotiate the price downward by another $500, then the survey didn't cost you a dime. It actually made you money. In any event, more and more insurers are requiring surveys before issuing coverage, so it is sort of a "pay me now, or pay me later" proposition.

The Tanzer 27 is a good choice, btw. but, $6K is TOO cheap. a survey may be a good idea, if only to find out whether it is simply a screaming deal, or whether there is something glaringly, expensively wrong.
06-16-2010 03:48 PM
Diceman Found Thread Helpfull
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06-16-2010 12:14 PM
n8kraft
Survey and Insurance

To get cheaper insurance, like from Boat US you will need a survey. I got insured from Progressive without a survey though.

-Nate
06-16-2010 11:40 AM
L0ngh0rns Thanks for pointing me to your thread sailingdog. It was very helpful.
06-15-2010 10:16 PM
tomwatt Just to be clear, surveyors usually charge $x per foot LOA. Depending on the area and the season (busy or not) that can be $10 per foot and up.
The chances are, your insurance company is going to want a survey anyway, so as you get close to final on the deal, a survey makes sense. And it will tell you what things you need to focus on to get the boat in the water.
06-15-2010 06:45 PM
sailingdog I'd recommend looking at the Boat Inspection Trip Tips thread I started. It can give you a pretty good idea of what shape the boat is really in.
06-15-2010 05:53 PM
L0ngh0rns Thanks for your input guys. Well I had no idea that a survey would cost that much money. I have talked the seller down to $6000. It seems that a survey would be overkill. I will definitely buy Casey's book. It has an outboard engine that is 2 years old so there shouldn't be too many worries on that end. I sailed on the boat for about 2 hours and it seemd like a quality boat. I have looked at about 15 boats and this one seems like the right fit for my wife and I.
06-15-2010 04:37 PM
mpickering Second Casey's book. Both "This Old Boat" and his complete book on sailboat maintenance have been invaluable to me.

I bought my C-27 minus a survey. The $5000 didn't justify it and most of the major areas that would cause concern were acceptable. For example, outboard engine so no inboard issues, minimal thru-hulls and all had seacocks, no "Catalina Smile", no evidence of serious leaks, no bulkhead delamination, etc. Only issues of concern was standing rigging (replaced) and needed three new keel nuts (did it myself, thanks Sears!).

Would a survey have helped? Yes, in hindsight. We probably would still have bought the boat. In the end we put about 1.5 times her purchase price into her but the end result is essentially a new boat in all the areas that matter stem to stern, keel to masthead.

It all depends on your tolerance for elbow grease. For me, it was six months of fall, some winter and spring days working on one problem at a time. And we're still working but it is on minor and manageable stuff now.

My next boat will get a survey only due to the monetary outlay involved. For $10K, I'd do it. Below about $7K and depending on your "fix her up" budget, I likely would skip it. An honest owner will tell you what they did and what issues you will have.

Casey also has a good book on surveying fiberglass sailboats. Pick that up if nothing else. You don't need a license to be a surveyor and can do it yourself.

Matt
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