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10-18-2016 12:55 AM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

Pretty much all the suppliers of marine engines use tractor or industrial engines as a basis for their marine engines. The days of manufacturers like Volvo or Perkins making their own engines or at least designing the engines are long gone. If it is a small 1, 2, 3, 4, or more cylinder diesel, it's either a Mitsubishi, Kubota, Yanmar, Peugeot, Izuzu or some other mfg.. FWIW, Yanmar tractors are rebranded as the smaller tractors sold by John Deere in the US. Might save money on non marine parts by going to your local JD dealer, just look for the Green and Yellow sign.
10-17-2016 08:26 PM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

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10-17-2016 06:08 PM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

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07-03-2016 09:07 PM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

I have a 1980 Universal 5416 (marinized Kubota L185 tractor with Z751 block) and have found across the board that any parts sold under the Universal name will be much more expensive than if they are sold under the Kubota name. I was quoted over $600 for a pair of "Universal" fuel injectors and wound up purchasing them from a Kubota tractor dealer for a little over $200 which included $80 for expedited shipping. I routinely purchase Kubota fuel and oil filters, and belts for 1/3 of the "Universal" price. I just replaced the original Universal alternator with an off-the-shelf spark proof Leece Neville for less than 1/2 the price. I replaced the starter for $296, including expedited shipping, after being quoted $1300 with a 10-week delivery time (I got this new unit shipped in three days).

Also, one doesn't need to confine purchases and repairs to marine-based companies. The absolutely best source of alternator and starter repairs/sales I have ever found is a small automotive shop some 70 miles inland from the Florida west coast.
03-28-2016 12:12 PM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

Our engine is based on the VW Rabbit diesel.. I'm going on 10-11 years now with an $90 "Audi Fox" starter from NAPA, trouble free. I've just ordered a spare FW pump for $60.

.. and our surveyor told me - 'first thing I'd do is change that engine for a Yanmar'... hmm.. mebbe not.
03-28-2016 11:01 AM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

This is NOT to say that there were not differences between the two engines. There was a MAJOR difference in the block related to the cooling passages around the head to the coolant pump, which is mounted on the timing case cover for the M25, and was mounted externally on this block. I had to drill a new passage in the block to enable the coolant pump to work with the M25 timing case.

Here is the block with the "marinization" complete, but before cleaning and paint;

(don't let Maine Sail see this... )
03-28-2016 10:48 AM
ODAY 28 Sailor
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

I compared also and am sure its the exact same starter. The starter wasnt the problem so never installed. Thanks for the heads up though
03-28-2016 10:44 AM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

With all due respect to you Jeff, I have had the opportunity in my position as "fleet maintenance guy" to disassemble the starter from a Universal M25, and a Kubota block both of which were purchased by my employer. There was no discernible difference other than the gold paint and rust on the M25 starter, and the blue paint and coating of oil/grime on the Kubota starter. Because it seemed in better overall condition, I used the Kubota starter, cleaned it, and re-painted it "Westerbeake/Universal" gold.
03-28-2016 10:33 AM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

I understand its a diesel, but even marine diesel components are supposed to be spark proof since so many boats use propane stoves, and do not have bilge ventilation.

03-28-2016 10:20 AM
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

You do realize that they're talking about diesel engines.

I would agree with you if we were talking about an Atomic 4, but on a Kubota diesel, not so much.

Using an M25-XP as an example;
Screen capture from the Universal Parts Manual:

Part #11 is Universal part number 299512 - MSRP online is $1336.95
Part #12 is Universal part number 300538 (Solenoid with Studs) - MSRP online is $410.95
Part #12a is Universal part number 299771 (Solenoid with Screws) - MSRP online is $309.95

Screen capture from the Kubota D950 Parts Manual:

Part #9 is Kubota part number 15231-6301-0

the trick here is to search without the second "-"
15231-63010 - Starter Assembly - Superseded by 15231-63015

15231-63015 - Available online for $147 to $281.75. Some dealers charge a $60 core charge.

I have also found the Starter Only (equivalent to Universal 299512 above) for $115
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