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03-28-2016 12:12 PM
Faster
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

Our engine is based on the VW Rabbit diesel.. I'm going on 10-11 years now with an $90 "Audi Fox" starter from NAPA, trouble free. I've just ordered a spare FW pump for $60.

.. and our surveyor told me - 'first thing I'd do is change that engine for a Yanmar'... hmm.. mebbe not.
03-28-2016 11:01 AM
eherlihy
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

This is NOT to say that there were not differences between the two engines. There was a MAJOR difference in the block related to the cooling passages around the head to the coolant pump, which is mounted on the timing case cover for the M25, and was mounted externally on this block. I had to drill a new passage in the block to enable the coolant pump to work with the M25 timing case.

Here is the block with the "marinization" complete, but before cleaning and paint;


(don't let Maine Sail see this... )
03-28-2016 10:48 AM
ODAY 28 Sailor
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

I compared also and am sure its the exact same starter. The starter wasnt the problem so never installed. Thanks for the heads up though
03-28-2016 10:44 AM
eherlihy
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

With all due respect to you Jeff, I have had the opportunity in my position as "fleet maintenance guy" to disassemble the starter from a Universal M25, and a Kubota block both of which were purchased by my employer. There was no discernible difference other than the gold paint and rust on the M25 starter, and the blue paint and coating of oil/grime on the Kubota starter. Because it seemed in better overall condition, I used the Kubota starter, cleaned it, and re-painted it "Westerbeake/Universal" gold.
03-28-2016 10:33 AM
Jeff_H
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

I understand its a diesel, but even marine diesel components are supposed to be spark proof since so many boats use propane stoves, and do not have bilge ventilation.

Jeff
03-28-2016 10:20 AM
eherlihy
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

You do realize that they're talking about diesel engines.

I would agree with you if we were talking about an Atomic 4, but on a Kubota diesel, not so much.

Using an M25-XP as an example;
Screen capture from the Universal Parts Manual:


Part #11 is Universal part number 299512 - MSRP online is $1336.95
Part #12 is Universal part number 300538 (Solenoid with Studs) - MSRP online is $410.95
Part #12a is Universal part number 299771 (Solenoid with Screws) - MSRP online is $309.95

Screen capture from the Kubota D950 Parts Manual:


Part #9 is Kubota part number 15231-6301-0

the trick here is to search without the second "-"
15231-63010 - Starter Assembly - Superseded by 15231-63015

15231-63015 - Available online for $147 to $281.75. Some dealers charge a $60 core charge.

I have also found the Starter Only (equivalent to Universal 299512 above) for $115
03-28-2016 09:11 AM
Donna_F
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

+1

And, if you have insurance that just may be the excuse they need not to honor a claim.
03-28-2016 08:58 AM
Jeff_H
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ODAY 28 Sailor View Post
I have an M15 that needed a starter and the marine store wanted $1300, I found out also its a popular tractor motor and bought it for $79.00. What a rip off.
But maybe not. Marine engine electronic components are usually designed to be "spark-proof", use corrosion resistant contacts, and have controllable voltage regulation and so on. If you manage to blow up your boat, the $1,221 savings does not seem all that great.

Jeff
03-27-2016 11:30 PM
ODAY 28 Sailor
Re: Do you have a Universal engine -- Read this!

I have an M15 that needed a starter and the marine store wanted $1300, I found out also its a popular tractor motor and bought it for $79.00. What a rip off.
03-28-2011 12:44 PM
TSL yes, the parts cost much more when purchasing from a marine supply but how does the labor compare? My boat is currently on the hard in Wisconsin and a have contacted Kobota "service certified" dealer to go over it. They charge $90.00 per hour from the minute they leave the shop. How does that compare with local marine service?
I was planning to pull the engine and deliver it to the dealer but the service manager felt strongly that they could handle it in the boat. They want to do a compression check before we make any plans.
For more more good news on parts search the web for Re-manufactured Kobota engines. under $3000 for my 40 HP model 5444. This does not include swapping out, water pumps, alternators, etc.
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