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07-20-2010 12:44 PM
HappyPappy Good to know about the "traffic" and wait times behind the bridge. Annapolis seems to be a very pretty part of the country, albeit pricey. Also, thanks for the insight on the lower prices down around Rhode River and Galesville.

@S/V Auspicious - You are living my dream...wintering in the Bahamas. I'd love to hear more about it sometime, perhaps I can buy you a couple of cold ones next time you are around this part of the world!
07-20-2010 10:07 AM
SVAuspicious Bubblers are to protect the pilings from ice jacking. Ice simply isn't an issue on any boat that isn't wall-sided. Further a full-time liveaboard boat, even will insulated, will leak enough heat to keep ice from forming up against the hull. My experience: winter '06 - Sweden, winter '07 - Washington DC, winter '08 & '09 - Annapolis MD, winter '10 - Bahamas (*grin*). Seriously ice isn't a structural problem for boats, although it does limit one's ability to go sailing.

Not every marina in and around Annapolis allows liveaboards. You'll also find a huge range of prices. Places I know of that allow liveaboards include Jabins, ALM, Port Annapolis, ACM, and Herrington Harbor. I'm sure there are others.
07-20-2010 09:01 AM
kd3pc Pappy

you will find that most of the annapolis area marinas are equipped with bubblers, and for the liveaboards - they usually get together to get water in the off season and are in general a really good group.

Downside to the Annapolis area...is it is pricey, and if you get behind a bridge there can be a wait saturday morning while everyone gets out to the bay. When the Navy has a game things stand still for people and traffic...we used to visit other parts of the state/bay/etc on those weekends..you may enjoy it.

Upside to the area...most anything you want related to the boat or lifestyle can be had within a very short time or trip. Food is excellent and tons of choices for it. Smaller marinas down on the Rhode River, Galesville and the like can be bargains, and some have better options for the drive to DC..

Enjoy
07-20-2010 08:12 AM
HappyPappy @kd3pc - good point about the sewage treatment plant! We drove by there not long ago and decided that wherever we end up, marina or not, we needed to have quite a space between us and the plant. Phew!!!

@ All - I've done some outside research and it confirms most of the feedback here. There are limits, zones, and virtually every other variety of restriction on the Potomac anywhere near the DC area. To be honest, it was the possibility of the whole river freezing over that was the deal breaker for me. If I can't get out to cruise, then it's not the place for me!

We are going to direct our attention to the Chesapeake Bay (around and south of Annapolis) instead of the Potomac. Plenty of access to the ocean, plenty of marinas with liveaboard slips (..I hope!), and it doesn't freeze over...uh...right?
07-17-2010 12:15 PM
SVAuspicious
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Where were you on teh Occoquan? We are currently keeping our boat at FYC, although we will probably be moving to the bay in the next couple years (just hate to give up the very short ride from DC to the marina).
I was at Hoffmasters for about three years. Absolutely great place but you have to fit under the fixed bridges. I still stay in touch with the owners and staff but when I finally get back to visit I'll have a long dinghy ride up the river.

@eryka: I understand the limits of skinny pipes and flaky connections. I would have searched myself if I could. I will say I have never heard of a two week limit, although that may be in Washington Channel. I'll poke around also when I get a chance.
07-17-2010 10:54 AM
kd3pc Happy

the worst thing about the potomac, up river from the new bridge, is the sewage treatment plant...depending on which way the wind is blowing and how much overflow is just flowing past...can be pretty blunt....

on the restrictions...they are in place, including security zones, some announced in notice to mariners, some are understood...nothing around the new bridge, national airport, the annacostia station (park police helicopters, White House Comms, Fed helicopter, and path to/from Andrews for the Pres are all there plus a bunch of 3 letter initial ones), or any of the bulk piers for the power plants is a "security zone" per se. But some arm of the local LEOs or Feds will let you know pronto...some are not even announced - you find out first hand..

all the best in what you decide.
07-17-2010 09:08 AM
SVCarolena
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@ SVCarolena, I wasn't aware that the Potomac froze over. I figured there would be some ice along the edges, and perhaps some chunks floating downstream which would present a hazard to a boat at anchor, but I guess I thought the Potomac had enough current and volume for it to freeze.

Then again...I suppose a long enough freeze and it certainly would/could freeze over. We are quite new to the area, and I feel like a sponge soaking up all the info everyone is providing!
It isn't consistent from year to year. As mentioned, this last winter was very cold with tons of snow and things did freeze up for a bit. Other winters you may get only a bit of ice along the edges. Keep in mind that near DC there isn't a lot of current and the water is basically fresh. Current picks up the further south you go, as does the salinity.
07-15-2010 09:06 PM
eryka
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@ SVCarolena, I wasn't aware that the Potomac froze over. I figured there would be some ice along the edges, and perhaps some chunks floating downstream which would present a hazard to a boat at anchor, but I guess I thought the Potomac had enough current and volume for it to freeze.

Then again...I suppose a long enough freeze and it certainly would/could freeze over. We are quite new to the area, and I feel like a sponge soaking up all the info everyone is providing!
@happypappy, can and does freeze in a tough winter like the last one, which is why the places I mentioned move liveaboards to slips in the winter.

@auspicious, sorry I don't have the bandwidth to search for a reference for the two-week limit and don't remember where I read/heard it, will look when I'm back to the land of unlimited internet in a couple of weeks if no one else comes to the rescue before then.
07-15-2010 06:14 PM
HappyPappy @ SVCarolena, I wasn't aware that the Potomac froze over. I figured there would be some ice along the edges, and perhaps some chunks floating downstream which would present a hazard to a boat at anchor, but I guess I thought the Potomac had enough current and volume for it to freeze.

Then again...I suppose a long enough freeze and it certainly would/could freeze over. We are quite new to the area, and I feel like a sponge soaking up all the info everyone is providing!
07-15-2010 04:07 PM
SVCarolena
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Eryka - Can you point to an official statement to that effect? I boated out of the Occoquan from 2001 - 2004 without any issues including some long (but not two weeks) time anchored out.

Oh - and +1 on who "owns" the Potomac. No question that it is Maryland. I think the ADC charts show the change in jurisdiction as you come out of the VA tributaries into the river.
I haven't seen any "official statement," but I believe the DC Harbor Police do impose a two-week limit, although enforcement seems iffy. I don't believe the restriction applies outside of the DC jurisdiction - we also anchor out a lot near the Occoquan.

Where were you on teh Occoquan? We are currently keeping our boat at FYC, although we will probably be moving to the bay in the next couple years (just hate to give up the very short ride from DC to the marina).

For the original post on this thread - have you considered that the river can and does freeze, so being anchored out long term with no bubbler system is probably not the greatest idea, not to mention the inability to get to shore in a small boat when the water is frozen.
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