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06-05-2006 11:22 PM
jhnpldng Don't know if this means anything but I have a book called "Sailing Fundamentals" that is "the official learn to sail manual of the asa and the uscg auxiliary". Don't know if there's anything between the two except that maybe they both happen to like this book. Might be the old seventies show photos and illustrations.

The uscg will be the ones to save you're butt in blue waters if you get into trouble so if they're using the same book as the asa then I would start there. You can always take any other courses you want in the future.
05-28-2006 11:34 PM
nolatom
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Originally Posted by Edo Kazumichi
Silmaril and BigRed56,

Thanks!

Lets see if the picture forming in my befuddled brain is the correct one. These training programs - ASA, USS, IYT - are purely private sector operations. The certificates they offer might make it easier to rent a boat but aren't necessarily required. Similarly they might get you a break on insurance and financing but, then again, maybe not. If you want to carry passengers for hire then you have to go through the US Coast Guard prescribed training.

To put it in terms of the aviation industry it goes like this: The USCG is the FAA for boats but unlike the FAA they only issue and govern commercial licenses. Official, government recognized private licenses don't really exist.

Have I got this right?

I think you have it right, though I'm not familiar with aviation licensing. The Coast Guard is like the FAA, they're the only ones who can issue captain's (or engineer's) licenses in the U.S. Unlike the FAA, who I guess licenses everyone who wants to fly for whatever reason, they don't require a license for pleasure boating. "In general" you need a Coast Guard license only if you're carrying freight or passengers for hire. And if you need a license, only the Coast Guard issues them. These certificates from ASA, USSA, IYT, or whoever, are evidence of training (and experience too) and may convince someone to rent you their boat, or hire you as a sailing instructor, but if you get into service where you need that master's ticket, only the Coast Guard can issue it, not these other outfits.
05-28-2006 08:38 AM
sailingdog Yes, you've pretty much got it down.

Private boating licenses aren't really administered by anyone in particular, and the requirements vary state-by-state. Some states require you take a test, others do not. The only real regulation of boating licenses is for commercial operation, and that is handled by the USCG.
05-28-2006 08:36 AM
LEONWEECH Here's the bottom line: It depends on who is giving you the course. A certified instructor may or may not be too lenient and laid back. Search out one who is very demanding and thorough in HIS training.
05-28-2006 04:28 AM
Edo Kazumichi Silmaril and BigRed56,

Thanks!

Lets see if the picture forming in my befuddled brain is the correct one. These training programs - ASA, USS, IYT - are purely private sector operations. The certificates they offer might make it easier to rent a boat but aren't necessarily required. Similarly they might get you a break on insurance and financing but, then again, maybe not. If you want to carry passengers for hire then you have to go through the US Coast Guard prescribed training.

To put it in terms of the aviation industry it goes like this: The USCG is the FAA for boats but unlike the FAA they only issue and govern commercial licenses. Official, government recognized private licenses don't really exist.

Have I got this right?
05-27-2006 10:03 AM
BigRed56
Pitates opinion

Ahoy me mateys, iffin ye need school and a piece of paper de piece of paper ye needs is de one youse is gonna actually use. I's ain't never needed a piece of paper to take a cruise, no schooling neither cepting de risk yer life kind. Certifications are indeed important when chartering. Be wary of any insurance problems tied to your qualifications. The problems of finance and liability are the price you pay for not sailing your own the hard way. Good luck. Pirate of Pine Island
05-27-2006 02:32 AM
Silmaril The "Certifications" these associations offer are in reality little more than a piece of paper you can show a charter company that you have some of the knowledge needed to take their boat for a bareboat charter.

The only "Ticket" that matters is the one the Coast Guard gives you after you have passed a RIGOROUS test and have shown proven miles/days at sea in a vessel of a specific size. It starts at the "Six-Pack" level and goes up from there. Those are the only recognized certifications which allow you to take passengers "For Hire" as in a captained charter. As a matter of fact, before you set foot on a boat in any of the sailing schools, it is a good idea to check that your instructor has at least a "Six-Pack" in his papers.

USCG requires extensive documentation, regular recertification, and drug/alcohol testing.
05-26-2006 02:15 AM
nolatom
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Originally Posted by Edo Kazumichi
While we're on the subject of certification schemes, how about IYT - International Yachtmaster Training. I'm looking at a course offered by an outfit in Pattaya that uses it. Do any of these - IYT, USS, ASA - offer any particular advantages or disadvantages?

Thanks!
These are all private, I think. Does any flag state accept them in lieu of their own government-issued licenses? I've got a dusty 100-ton Coast Guard near-coastal license for aux. sail, where would these outfits get me that I'm not already? Can they carry passengers for hire on US vessels?
05-24-2006 12:43 PM
Edo Kazumichi
and IYT, too

While we're on the subject of certification schemes, how about IYT - International Yachtmaster Training. I'm looking at a course offered by an outfit in Pattaya that uses it. Do any of these - IYT, USS, ASA - offer any particular advantages or disadvantages?

Thanks!
05-21-2006 09:22 PM
nolatom In general, ASA is more cruising-oriented, while USSA is more racing-oriented.
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