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08-03-2010 05:46 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by ffiill View Post
Speaking of Cook and this incident-wonder what he would make of it?Remember he ran into The Great Barrier Reef-floated the Endeavor off and beached it to carry out repairs-and nor a SAR helicopter in sight.
Oh and then there was my hero William Dampier.After having crossed the Pacific by means fair and foul(he was occasionally a priviateer)he decided to take a look at a new continent he had heard the Dutch talking about(Australia )He parted company with the ship he was sailing in in the New Guinea area and finished his trip to the East Indies in an open dug out canoe(again no SAR)
Suggest if you have never done so you read the origional books of their voyages-still as good as it gets in my opinion.
Mind you, as soon as Jimbo got the Endeavour patched up he got to hell out of the place and never came back. Couldn't get away quickly enough.
Seriously, he was damnably lucky to get away with it but the manner with which he dealt with grounding shows how great a man he really was even if he did show a floolish disregard for an Hawaiian with a stick....

Dampier is also one of my favourites. The last book I read on Dampier was "A Pirate of Exquisite Mind". I did read "A New Voyage Round the World" some years back but don't own a copy. You remind me to remedy that situation. Dampier wasn't a Yorkshireman though was he ? (quickly googles and finds that) No he wasn't he was from Somerset.

Mathew Flinders is another who deserves great respect.
08-03-2010 04:20 AM
ffiill Speaking of Cook and this incident-wonder what he would make of it?Remember he ran into The Great Barrier Reef-floated the Endeavor off and beached it to carry out repairs-and nor a SAR helicopter in sight.
Oh and then there was my hero William Dampier.After having crossed the Pacific by means fair and foul(he was occasionally a priviateer)he decided to take a look at a new continent he had heard the Dutch talking about(Australia )He parted company with the ship he was sailing in in the New Guinea area and finished his trip to the East Indies in an open dug out canoe(again no SAR)
Suggest if you have never done so you read the origional books of their voyages-still as good as it gets in my opinion.
08-02-2010 08:47 PM
tdw The thing about this incident is that while the Placid Sea was reported as the Blessed Be the BB did not itself make any attempt to contact VMR/SAR after reporting all was fine after the knockdown. No one could have possibly thought she was in trouble.

OK , yes, mixups and cockups do happen. Indeed when we sailed down the NSW coast in January this year we did everything by the book. Prior to leaving we emailed our details to Volunteer Marine Rescue (VMR) Sydney (used to be call Coastal Patrol). On departing Sydney we logged in only to find that they had either misplaced our details or failed to put our passage plan into the computer. So we did it all again over the radio. No big deal but a cockup nonetheless.

After that all was well. Marine Rescue (even though they didn't seem to know whether they were Marine Rescue, Volunteer Marine Rescue, VMR or plain old Coastal Patrol) were fabulous. One station (Port Kembla) who we were not required to notify of our progress even called up at 0200 to wish us well and have a bit of chat. I guess he was bored but it shows they were not asleep on the job.

I simply don't think the BB disaster can be put down to incompetence on the part of the VMR/SAR people. Even had the Placcid Sea mixup not occurred, those guys luck had well and truely run out. It is sad, it is a tragedy but the fact is such things happen when we choose to muck around in small boats.

ps - I happen to know the son of one of the BB's crew. If the opportunity arises to ask him about his feelings re the coroner's report I'll do so and report back. I'm not simply going to ring him up and ask. I don't think that would be right and proper.
08-02-2010 08:20 PM
tdw
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Apologies for comment about Indian Ocean and ignoring the RAAF-just thinking about the African side where I think RAF nimrods do operate-stand corrected if I am wrong.
Of course the only reason that both the UK and US have big fleets of these long range aircraft is to trail "Cold War" enemy subs;and orchestrate military activities in places they should not be(in my opinion).Likewise people forget that our UK based RAF and Royal Navy SAR helicopters are primarly there to pick up stranded military pilots and in the case of The Royal Navy again tag onto and attack "enemy"(what a joke) submarines.
The Uk also runs coastguard helicopters but these are about to be put out to commercial operators!
Oh and for what its worth the only thing I consider myself to be and proud of is a Yorkshireman(thats in the NW of England)-we have put up some good cricketeers in our time. I live in the Highlands of Scotland;my yacht is registered in Glasgow;and I fly the flag of St. Andrews at the mast head.
Generally I think the worlds amateur sailors get a good deal out of SAR the world over.
Yorshireman ? That makes all the difference. My (mother's) family originated from that very area. Whitby in fact. Not only have you put up some fine cricketers in your time but in Geoffrey Boycott one of the very best, most amusing commentators I can remember and I don't even like cricket all that much. Oh yes...and that fella Cook was a bit of a dab hand when it came to this sailing caper.
08-02-2010 02:43 PM
hellosailor Apparently the boat that reported it was safe, was not the boat being inquired after.

Apparently the boat being inquired after, never was contacted. Whether that lack of contact would have triggered an earlier search--doesn't seem to be mentioned. If a vessel isn't formally overdue, I can't see that any agency is going to start a massive SAR effort for them, and short of that, I can't see that it would make any difference if they were already in distress and likely already gone.

But "there's nothing new here" doesn't sell newspapers, or commercial air time.
08-02-2010 12:58 PM
PCP
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Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
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That's what horrified me about this incident. I can't recall the system breaking down to this extent before..
I don't understand what you mean. There was never a mayday call, the Epirb was not set and without that it is very dificult to rescue someone.
08-02-2010 12:30 PM
ffiill One point about RNLI-they not only rescue vessels at sea-their inshore boats do a lot off off beach rescues-dingy sailors;windsurfers;surfers etc -along side local beach lifeguards.They are also involved in many cliff rescue scenerios-people stranded by rising tides;people and animals falling down cliffs etc.
In fact much of their work in the summer involves such incidents.
As to this particular incident one must assume that something must have happened to cause the vessel to dissappear-sudden sinking rougue wave etc.
We tend to forget the large number of commercial vessels which disappear in the worlds oceans without trace. Far more tonnage is lost than ever was in the hayday of sailing vessels.
No one bothers when a bulk carrier disappears and a third world captain and crew never come home!
08-01-2010 07:39 PM
Classic30
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Originally Posted by tdw View Post
By the by...one of the reasons that the Brits rely so heavily on local SAR is surely because the British Royal National Lifeboat Institute is one of the most incredibly effective SAR organisations that exists anywhere on the planet. 140,000 saved lives since 1824. Which either shows how effective the RNLI is or that the British should keep to dry land..... The RNLI receives no government funding and its crewmen and women are all volunteers.
Agree wholeheartedly - and IMHO the Australia's Search and Rescue capability isn't all that far behind, taking all other mitigating factors (length of coastline, search areas and general sea conditions) into account.

That's what horrified me about this incident. I can't recall the system breaking down to this extent before..
07-31-2010 02:14 PM
ffiill Apologies for comment about Indian Ocean and ignoring the RAAF-just thinking about the African side where I think RAF nimrods do operate-stand corrected if I am wrong.
Of course the only reason that both the UK and US have big fleets of these long range aircraft is to trail "Cold War" enemy subs;and orchestrate military activities in places they should not be(in my opinion).Likewise people forget that our UK based RAF and Royal Navy SAR helicopters are primarly there to pick up stranded military pilots and in the case of The Royal Navy again tag onto and attack "enemy"(what a joke) submarines.
The Uk also runs coastguard helicopters but these are about to be put out to commercial operators!
Oh and for what its worth the only thing I consider myself to be and proud of is a Yorkshireman(thats in the NW of England)-we have put up some good cricketeers in our time. I live in the Highlands of Scotland;my yacht is registered in Glasgow;and I fly the flag of St. Andrews at the mast head.
Generally I think the worlds amateur sailors get a good deal out of SAR the world over.
07-31-2010 06:28 AM
PCP "...one of the reasons that the Brits rely so heavily on local SAR is surely because the British Royal National Lifeboat Institute is one of the most incredibly effective SAR organisations that exists anywhere on the planet. 140,000 saved lives since 1824. Which either shows how effective the RNLI is or that the British should keep to dry land....2

Seriously the RNLI and British sailor community deserve respect from the world sailing community. RLNI has an annual budget over 170 000 000 USD and it comes all from private funding. They have more than 300 lifeboats and they are the ones that make the rescue around the coast and that coordinate SAR operations. But in what concerns ocean rescues they rely on navy helicopters and navy and airforce planes that are paid by the contributors. The budget for the operational costs of this system exceeds many times de RNLI annual budget.

Not trying to denigrate the RNLI, quite the contrary, but the private funding, even in England is only a small part of the operating costs of the SAR system. This can give you an idea of the involved costs.

Regards

Paulo
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