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25 Minutes Ago 08:18 PM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Originally Posted by ccriders View Post
I would add, "and can afford to buy..."

Having a residual cruising kitty, especially one that survives a new engine, is golden.
Yes, If I was going cruising with a couple of kids and a dog or what-knot, I would need a bigger boat and it would probably be a Hunter.

I had actually considered going smaller for a time and buying day sailor. My budget would have gotten me a pretty darn nice little 24ish foot boat.

I purchased what I consider to be the best 30 ft boat I could afford because I decided I wanted a 30 ft boat.
1 Hour Ago 07:28 PM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Originally Posted by seaner97 View Post
This and Jeff H's summary from (way) earlier should be the final. Why did this get revived again?
I think its an interesting question; why do people seem to like to bash Hunter more than Catalina or Beneteau or whatever? My own personal belief is that you can trace the Hunter hate to the fact that Hunter was the first American manufacturer to step outside the bounds of mainstream design. They were the first major American brand to look Euro; they adopted the B&R rig; they used the cockpit arch, etc. Hunter had the audacity to be different, and they are still suffering the blowback. Well, that and their well-publicized quality control problems of about 15 years ago.

I find it mildly surprising that they haven't been able to completely shake off the effects of those circumstances. By many accounts, their QA/QC problems are a thing of the past, and many of their signature design elements are now pretty standard stuff. Forums (Fora?) such as this are invaluable in spreading positive Hunter experiences; they've certainly changed the way I look at Hunters. Based on Smack's fevered writings alone, I no longer assume that Hunters are poorly made and designed. (although I still think a lot of them are butt ugly).
1 Hour Ago 07:16 PM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Btw Don on the Outbound site everyone trashes Outbounds. Discussion is primarily about the work arounds,how to,fix stuff, sourcing stuff, and how to improve the vessel, or maintain it. Betcha it's the same on the Morris, Hinckley, Swan, HR, or any owners group site.
If that's not going on the Hunters site why follow it? Trash is probably the wrong word but regardless of how much you love something you should always want to be cognizant of its faults and work to mitigate or eliminate them.
At least that's what my wife says before she gets going :-).
1 Hour Ago 07:04 PM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

So we can put this to rest already. It's stupid to bash Hunters or for that matter any other brand. There are so few sailors it stupid to,do anything that gives any sailor discomfort be that" mine's bigger than yours", or "Ive done such and such and you haven't so you're not a real sailor". the class sailors don't roll that way. Much rather be surrounded by Macgregors even those with the huge outboards on the back than cigarette boats blasting rap.

We're waiting out expected t storms at the moment off Goat Island. Actually finagled to get Columbia 's mooring for the night. If you want to feed your inferiority complex moor next to me. I'll be the one pointing and going "oh wow will you look at that".
7 Hours Ago 01:34 PM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post

Buy what you want to buy. Then just take care of it and go sail.
I would add, "and can afford to buy..."

Having a residual cruising kitty, especially one that survives a new engine, is golden.
7 Hours Ago 12:59 PM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Buy what you want to buy. Then just take care of it and go sail.
This and Jeff H's summary from (way) earlier should be the final. Why did this get revived again?
8 Hours Ago 12:18 PM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

I've already outlined most of this in my wildly popular Production Boats threads here and on CF - as well as in my brilliant write-up on my blog...but I'll give a broad outline once more...

Cat-A rated Hunters (and other production boats) are GREAT boats for cruising - including offshore/bluewater cruising. My Legend in particular is a very solid, very well-designed offshore boat with most all the features traditionalists seem to demand in an offshore boat (and many more things those boats don't have). It's fast and it's extremely roomy and comfortable at anchor and/or in a marina...and even in a seaway.

Now, that said, there is no question it IS built to a less expensive standard than high-end brands. But you have to remember, expense doesn't necessarily translate to efficacy. For example, I've also sailed Pacific Seacrafts, Pearsons, etc. offshore pretty extensively - and our Hunter handles just as well as those boats without question, with very minor differences. On the other hand, I just toured an Island Packet at the Pensacola marina. The wood work and detailing on that boat is immaculate. And it's obviously built like a tank. Though I've not toured or sailed one - I have no doubt newer Hinckleys are probably even better than this IP.

That said, it doesn't really matter. I don't care about the relative quality of the interior wood, etc. And maybe my Hunter won't last 60 years like those boats (who knows?), but I DO know it can take me pretty much anywhere I want to go if I take care of it and pay attention to weather and sail safely - just like these higher end boats.

And it's that last part that interests me most. I don't need a high-end brand boat, I need a boat that can do what I need it to do safely and comfortably. I have that. (And I already drive a Maserati, so I'm covered on the show-off front.)

Additionally, I purchased my Hunter for 1/3 (or much less depending on year) than these other boats. I bought it with cash, so I have no payments and a healthy kitty to enjoy it with (though that kitty took a big hit with the engine issue).

And, though the OVERALL market value of our Legend is likely 1/3 (or less) of what it cost new, it holds its value very well in the used market. We will likely break even or even come out ahead a bit over our purchase price when we sell. So that argument, too, is crap for the most part.

So, yes, there is a tremendous amount of BS surrounding Hunters (and other production boats) in the forums. Chuckleheads just can't seem to help themselves. I don't give a damn really. They can say what they need to say to make themselves feel better. I just focus on the actual facts. And the facts prove them wrong every time.

The most important thing for newbs that are trying to learn about all this is to listen to those who have sailed them extensively. Feedback/advice from guys like SimonV above, with his HUGE amount of experience and exposure to different boats, is invaluable. BS from chuckleheads who have no first-hand experience with them but just like to spew is worthless.

Buy what you want to buy. Then just take care of it and go sail.
10 Hours Ago 10:22 AM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

The most interesting thing about Hunter bashers to me has always been that they believe they know more about my boat than I do.
10 Hours Ago 10:05 AM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

In my neck of the ocean, Hunter-bashing has much more to do with the owners than the boat.

Around here the type who *typically* buys a Hunter is someone who never goes sailing, although they might come hang out in the slip every once in a while.
They are viewed as non-sailors who own a boat as a status symbol or floating apartment to host cocktail hour on once a month for their boatless friends.

So when someone says "oh him, yeah he has a Hunter..." and gives an eyeroll, it is more an indictment of this type of behavior than the boat itself.
Rightly or wrongly, buying a Hunter will get you lumped into that crowd, at least around these parts.
10 Hours Ago 09:54 AM
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

I am not a Hunter Basher. I'm lower middle class, I can't afford to be. That being said, the market does not lie. Hunters start out less expensive and do not hold their value as well as other boats because of the way they are made, if this was not true they would not be and stay the least expensive.

And yes, they will get one out on the water, one can have just as much fun in a Hunter as they can in a Hinckley. What brings me to this conversation is when one says that they are equal or better than other manufacturers. I don't believe they are. I don't believe they are vastly inferior either.

There is nothing wrong with driving a KIA or a Nissan, or a Chevy or a BMW or a Mecedes or a Tesla. Just don't try to tell me they are all the same because they get you from A to B with the radio on. I happen to drive a Nissan and I like it. I sail a 1988 C&C and I love it. If I had a lot more money I would not be driving a Nissan or sailing a 28 year old C&C.

So down to brass tacks. I chose a 1988 C&C over a larger OR newer Hunter because of the quality of design, craftsmanship and materials use to make the boat. I did so in hopes that the boat I chose would continue to hold a higher percentage of it's value.

I have sailed Hunters, I would own a Hunter. I would say what Hunter said and what brokers tell you; 'You get a lot of boat for your money'.

"Hunter Bashing" is done in hopes that a person will not be fooled because they all look similar to the uninformed, aside from the hood ornament. Folks come here because they want opinions from someone besides the seller or the broker. So we speak what we believe to be the truth. The new KIA is, in some ways, inferior and that is why it cost the same as a 2 year old Honda.

There is nothing wrong with buying a 30 pack of one beer for the same price as a 6 pack of another. It's all mostly water anyway right?

Well, no, actually it's not the same.
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