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7 Hours Ago 07:46 PM
Ninefingers
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by boatpoker View Post
I believe the view of Hunters is tainted by the snobbish cliques of blue water cruisers & and racers. Since Hunters don't rate well in these aristocratic realms they have been unfairly tarnished. If you like a particular Hunter model .... buy it and go sailing.
Yep, I owned three late model Hunters. Great value. Somewhere along the line, I didn't think they looked pretty anymore - that's all.
8 Hours Ago 07:04 PM
boatpoker
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by Don0190 View Post
After 6 years we still like of 2001 Hunter 410. During the last 4 months traveling south everyone who has been on my boat likes it. Except for newer 40-45' benes/jenes we probably have seen more 2000+ Hunters than any other brand.

Get a Hunter, stop reading the internet threads full of book reading whatabees and go cruising and have a good time!
After somewhere around 4,000 surveys I have come to the conclusion that Hunters (in very general terms) are better built than euroboats (Beneteau, Jeanneau, Bavaria, Dufour and Hanse (atrocious) ). The best built (by far) production boats are CS followed by Catalina and Hunter again in very general terms of systems and construction quality. I believe the view of Hunters is tainted by the snobbish cliques of blue water cruisers & and racers. Since Hunters don't rate well in these aristocratic realms they have been unfairly tarnished. If you like a particular Hunter model .... buy it and go sailing.
8 Hours Ago 06:49 PM
Don0190
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

After 6 years we still like of 2001 Hunter 410. During the last 4 months traveling south everyone who has been on my boat likes it. Except for newer 40-45' benes/jenes we probably have seen more 2000+ Hunters than any other brand.

Get a Hunter, stop reading the internet threads full of book reading whatabees and go cruising and have a good time!
13 Hours Ago 02:20 PM
ianjoub
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by Scotty C-M View Post
Everyone (almost everyone) uses their cabins. Including at harbor. No one (almost no one) sits at the mast 24/7.
During my last 2 outings (7 days and 9 days), I spent all nights while moving doing my sleeping shifts in the cockpit. It was warm and balmy in FL and more comfortable sleeping above. I only slept in the cabin when anchored with the a/c running.

I guess this is why a large cockpit is so important to us in selecting our next boat.
13 Hours Ago 02:20 PM
amwbox
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

If the buyer is primarily interested in "spaciousness and comfort" to the point of mentioning it three times in their post, then the marketing guys can be said to know their craft. Interiors sell boats.

This isn't a Hunter issue. Hunter just takes the brunt of the criticism because they are the most visible example. It's the same reason people hate Walmart, even though Target and Kmart are no better.

As for the question of "Do you not spend any time in the cockpit or interior of your boat while not in a marina?" The issue is the difference between what the cabin is good for while underway as opposed to tied up. The cabin of a boat is simply a volume of space where people and objects are going to be thrown around, as the boat moves around on three axis. Hopefully not dangerously. Counter space doesn't matter, because anything you put on the counter and leave unattended for even a bit will just wind up on the sole as a mess, creating a hazard. Walk around beds fore or aft don't matter, since under way you're probably going to be tying lee cloths and sleeping in a proper sea berth amidships where the motion is better and you're less likely to be tossed to the sole. Underway, I just want to be able to hold onto things and not be thrown into blunt objects that will cause me harm. As for the cockpit, I just want to lessen the effects of getting pooped.

This is all very tired as has been covered in this wretched thread dozens of times. And it's not a Hunter issue. Hunter is just the one that is most often chosen to nail to the cross, probably because of the price point.

Personally, I just really don't like the B&R rig. Otherwise they seem like nice looking boats. All my offshore time has been spent north of the equator. Maybe down in the Islands its all amazing and smooth and everything works great. But knowing what I know about my own NE Pacific sailing grounds, I'd go a different way.

But the idea of choosing a boat because you like the interior strikes me the same way as choosing a car because of the number of cupholders. A boat is a functional thing. A dynamic thing. A thing that has to stand up to continuous punishment in a highly destructive environment.

How exactly is complaining about the perception of Marina Queens and then focusing on "spaciousness and comfort" in the same post three times without a single mention of how the thing actually works not simply furthering the stereotype?

Now, die, evil thread. Die.
13 Hours Ago 02:11 PM
robert sailor I wasn't trying to suggest that there were no owners that didn't really love their boats in fact most owners do love their boats s which is the reason they are unlikely to have negative comments. As much as we don't like to accept it humans are by nature very bias and once we have decided to buy a certain brand or model of boat they tend to defend it no matter what. Naturally there are people that are different and more balanced but most, not so much. Personally if my needs were an offshore boat that I planned on multiple ocean crossings with my priorities would be different than if I was going to sail in the Caribbean and the boat would be different. I think most Hunters would do the trick for Mexico and the Caribbean and you'd love that huge cockpit and all the open spaces below.
13 Hours Ago 01:36 PM
Scotty C-M
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

I agree with Robert sailor with one exception. Why do owners not bad mouth their boats? Perhaps it is to protect their monetary value, as Robert says, but there might be another reason: they like their boats. That's why they have those boats. At any rate, there are both good and bad things about any boat. This is particularly true, as Robert points out, in the differences between different models in a manufacture's line. Especially so when you look at the changes in models over the years. Here's the line I liked best from Robert:

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Originally Posted by robert sailor View Post
Buy the boat that turns your crank and fits the purpose that you are going to use it for.
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Some people prefer larger cockpits and cabins. Some feel they are safer in smaller cockpits and cabins because there are more handholds - and other reasons. Some like larger beams aft because they drive the boat powerfully, and create space. Some like more traditional lines because they feel they handle seas more comfortably and have better righting angles. Some like modern engineering for it's effficiency. Some like designs that have more redundency. Cost is always a factor. Lots of different preferences.

Everyone (almost everyone) uses their cabins. Including at harbor. No one (almost no one) sits at the mast 24/7.
16 Hours Ago 11:01 AM
robert sailor Buy the boat that turns your crank and fits the purpose that you are going to use it for. Hunters are seen pretty much all over the place and are very popular in some areas. They seem to have a loyal following of owners. Just don't expect to buy a high quality boat at bargin basement prices, that doesn't exist. All builders have produced some decent boats and some stinkers so do lots of due diligence to make sure you don't get caught with a stinker. By the way, the last person I would really listen to for advise on a boat wold be an owner. Owners hardly ever bad mouth a boat, while they own it in fear of reducing values or effecting future sales, kinda normal. Find a surveyor that knows that model, probably your best source, completely discount sailing magazines or articles that are supported by advertising.
17 Hours Ago 10:20 AM
smwia
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

I am newbie looking to get into cruising/ part-time live aboard on a newer Hunter. The size and comfort of the cockpit and interior as well as many claims of many models being easy to single hand have me looking at hunter. Of course I have done a lot of reading about hunter on forums in threads such as this one and have a question that really stumps me...

So many of the "hunter haters" and others call them "marina queens" or similar and claim the only thing good about them is the spacious/comfortable cockpit's and interiors and are therefor only good if all you are going to do is spend all your time at the marina and sleeping at a slip. If you will actually be cruising or going offshore they are not good. Maybe it is just my lack of boating experience that confuses me...

SO MY QUESTION IS - All you experienced sailors who like to cruise all the time and go offshore. Do you not spend any time in the cockpit or interior of your boat while not in a marina? Is it common place for you to be standing on your masts or hanging off the side of your boats 24/7?

Please enlighten me to why a very spacious and comfortable boat is such a bad thing while using it?
08-06-2016 10:04 AM
outbound
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

You mean something your insurance company will be interested in when deciding rate and allowed use?
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