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10-23-2010 07:12 PM
richardinhingham
Hobie 33?

I crew on an excellent PHRF racer and sail a lovely old Soverel 28. The Soverel 33 has always had great appeal for me, but if I had some dollars to buy a good PHRF racer I would be looking at the Hobie 33. Rating and price are both around the OP's target, and the boats are really great looking.

I have not sailed on them, but have raced on a Laser 28. I thought it was a great all purpose boat and quite fast for its size--but it won't hit the target PHRF.
09-11-2010 02:32 AM
Hotfoot27
Boats to consider...

For light air, I think the Soverel 33, Olson 30, and J-29 are all good choices. Although the Olson is definitely the least expensive. Lots of them selling in the PNW for $10k or so, and seem to be in quite good shape for their age. When the Olson first came out, I remember there was one locally that gave the 2 tons a run for their money a lot of the time.

Laser 28? They rate only slightly faster than the Hotfoot 27, and at the Whidbey Island Race week I participated in (many years ago) the Hotfoots handily beat the Lasers that were there. Plus, they are quite pricey, but nice interior.

Dash 34 is a good choice as well.

Having said all this, I would like to add a couple of more boats to consider - Hotfoot 31 and Ross 930. They would be in the $30k range or so and have decent interiors (i.e. standing headroom). Definitely cruisable. The Hotfoot displaces 5,000 lbs and rates around 126 in the PNW and the Ross displaces 3,800 lbs and rates around 105, but the Hotfoot sails better to its rating in light air, in my opinon. Okay, probably hard to find either of these boats on the East Coast - but if you want a fast, lighter weight boat with a decent interior, these would be my choices (other than the Davidson 29, but that's another story).
09-01-2010 09:04 AM
blt2ski I only know of one locally, that one is in Vancouver BC. There is a fellow on here that knows the owner.

Marty
08-31-2010 11:55 PM
puddinlegs
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBoatHack View Post
Anyone happen to know anything about the Beneteau Figaro Solo designed by Finot in the late 80s and used for the Figaro single-handed races in the 90s? PHRF 105 or so.

Getting close.
Found this:

http://www.finot.com/bateaux/batprod...eau/courbe.jpg


...not sure what units the numbers are in though.
08-31-2010 10:18 PM
BigBoatHack
Looking for 30-34' Club+ Racing Boat

Anyone happen to know anything about the Beneteau Figaro Solo designed by Finot in the late 80s and used for the Figaro single-handed races in the 90s? PHRF 105 or so.

Getting close.
08-24-2010 11:46 PM
puddinlegs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff_H View Post
That said, they were not an especially great light air boat and were not all that easy to sail to their rating on a either an upwind/downwind course or on a triangular course. Where they really came into their own was in distance races, which ended up being predominantly reaching races.


A boat that I would strongly endourse is the Soverel 33 which does great in almost all conditions. I would suggest that you try to find one of the Olson built Soverel 33's, with a Soverel built S33 as a fall back and the Tartan built boats as a desparation move.

Although slightly above your target rating range, I would suggest that you consider adding the Laser 28 to your list. Sailed well these were excellent light air boats that had an easy time sailing to their ratings in the light stuff. I owned one and really liked the boat but they are not everyone's cup of tea. I did find it pretty easy to catch the Olson 30's upwind and in light air. Around here, in light to moderate breezes the Laser 28 fleet would pass the typically catch the back of the Olson 30 fleet. In moderate conditions, they would pass us down wind and we would catch them upwind.

Another option might be the S-2 9.1. The S2 9.1's actually did much better in light air than their numbers would suggest. Be very careful to check for core rot since they had some of the worst out there, but many have been rebuilt and they remain a good PHRF boat.

As someone said above, masthead rigged, outboard engined J-29's do pretty well in light going and are good all-around PHRF boats.

That would be my thoughts,
Jeff
Interesting. I used to think the same about the O-30 in light air, but there are a couple around here that have well proved otherwise, particularly in downwind drifters. That said, they are both very well sailed by folks who really know their boats. I'm wondering if the ones you're seeing are wet sailed... it does make a difference.

S-33, indeed! A great boat, especially the PBW version, with a lot of good information on their class website. Unfortunately it will be a much more expensive boat to run.

If one were going to do an older 30' ish racer/cruiser, the S2 is a nice boat and a good addition to the list, but for the money, I'd go with the Pacific Boat Works O-911s. The build quality of all the Santa Cruz made boats (Alsberg Bros (Express), Pacific Boatworks (Olson, Soveral), Santa Cruz) is tough to beat.

I can't think of a better 30' racer/cruiser than the O-911s that does both well and is still very competitive at it's rating. MH OB J-29 is a good boat as well.

A couple of lists:

Race only, Melges 24, Olson 30 or J-29 MHOB... S-33 if you can afford the sails.

Race/cruise, O-911s, S2 9.1, Santana 30/30, Capo 30.... most of these boats are probably beyond the OP's 20k budget.

... but a lot of good ideas and good choices to look at, that's for sure Jeff!
08-24-2010 05:24 PM
Jeff_H Here on the Chesapeake, where light air sailing was invented, the Olson 29's and Olson 30's sailed pretty evenly at the lighter end of the wind range. The only place that the 29's seemed to have any advantage was at the upper most end of the wind range. That said, they were not an especially great light air boat and were not all that easy to sail to their rating on a either an upwind/downwind course or on a triangular course. Where they really came into their own was in distance races, which ended up being predominantly reaching races.

A boat that I would strongly endourse is the Soverel 33 which does great in almost all conditions. I would suggest that you try to find one of the Olson built Soverel 33's, with a Soverel built S33 as a fall back and the Tartan built boats as a desparation move.

Although slightly above your target rating range, I would suggest that you consider adding the Laser 28 to your list. Sailed well these were excellent light air boats that had an easy time sailing to their ratings in the light stuff. I owned one and really liked the boat but they are not everyone's cup of tea. I did find it pretty easy to catch the Olson 30's upwind and in light air. Around here, in light to moderate breezes the Laser 28 fleet would pass the typically catch the back of the Olson 30 fleet. In moderate conditions, they would pass us down wind and we would catch them upwind.

Another option might be the S-2 9.1. The S2 9.1's actually did much better in light air than their numbers would suggest. Be very careful to check for core rot since they had some of the worst out there, but many have been rebuilt and they remain a good PHRF boat.

As someone said above, masthead rigged, outboard engined J-29's do pretty well in light going and are good all-around PHRF boats.

That would be my thoughts,
Jeff
08-24-2010 04:23 PM
puddinlegs
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBoatHack View Post
Exactly

About to research the Olson 911.

Edit: Another reason for thinking about the Olson 29/30 or Evelyn 32 -- if fitted with single point lifting they can be hauled at my club and with a trailer, can be towed.
The 911 isn't really the rating band you're looking at. That said, it's about the nicest racer/cruiser at 30' around.

... and agreed. You can dry sail an 0-29/30
08-24-2010 04:20 PM
puddinlegs
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB View Post
Any particular reason for a PHRF 95-115 rating? Why not look at a boat that sails well or better than it's PHRF rating instead of a specific number.

You might want to consider a Pearson 10M. PHRF at 135/141, under 20K, club racer. Great/Solid boat. 33' LOA, 11' Beam, but LWL is 29". Boat Displaces 13K pounds, but it is quick. I routinely beat "faster" boats with it. Yesterday I passed and out ran a Sabre 362 and a C&C 35-3, both of which have a much better PHRF rating in lease than 2 NM. Winds were 10-13 kt apparent. Point-of-sail was almost close-hauled.

DrB

Why not look at a boat that sails well or better than it's PHRF rating? That was exactly the question the OP asked... A well sailed Olson 30 at 99 is tough to beat in light air or conversely downwind in a breeze and a swell.

With all due respect, a 10m, while indeed rated kindly, is nowhere near as quick as an O-30 in any condition.
08-23-2010 09:00 PM
BigBoatHack
Quote:
Originally Posted by puddinlegs View Post
At 168, I think the OP wants to go faster.
Exactly
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB View Post
Any particular reason for a PHRF 95-115 rating? Why not look at a boat that sails well or better than it's PHRF rating instead of a specific number.

You might want to consider a Pearson 10M. PHRF at 135/141, under 20K, club racer. Great/Solid boat. 33' LOA, 11' Beam, but LWL is 29". Boat Displaces 13K pounds, but it is quick. I routinely beat "faster" boats with it. Yesterday I passed and out ran a Sabre 362 and a C&C 35-3, both of which have a much better PHRF rating in lease than 2 NM. Winds were 10-13 kt apparent. Point-of-sail was almost close-hauled.

DrB
Am targeting around 100 because I want to be finished before the sun sets and the breeze shuts down completely. I don't want to have to depend on the RC doing the right thing and shortening. I also want something with a little life to it. Lastly, the O'Day 302 and the Pearson would put me in Div III and that's not where I want to be.

About to research the Olson 911.

Edit: Another reason for thinking about the Olson 29/30 or Evelyn 32 -- if fitted with single point lifting they can be hauled at my club and with a trailer, can be towed.
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