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03-04-2013 11:55 AM
Boatsmith
Re: Tiki 36, Wharram design catamaran

11-19-2012 07:59 PM
Boatsmith
Re: Tiki 36, Wharram design catamaran

A youtube of our progress.
11-01-2012 01:45 PM
Boatsmith
Re: Tiki 36, Wharram design catamaran

The way that things worked out we have not built a Tiki 36, yet. We were commissioned to build a 47' Ariki. This is an earlier design of Wharrams that we( with Wharrams help and approval streched a bit and tweaked a bit and are building in foam cored glass. We have actually sold two of these boats now. We have built molds for all of the peices except for the beams at this point. We are having some engineering done before we build these molds. We are very excited about this vessel. The first boat will be delivered as a bare boat to be completed by the owner. The second boat will be at the Miami show in February. Here is a recent photo and a rendering. There is still no bridge deck saloon and it is still a shallow draft lightweight speedster. We can build this boat with mini-keels,or daggerboards or even centerboards. It will be a very comfortable boat for a cruising couple with occasional guests. It will not have three heads and four staterooms. It will also demount and ship in two 48' containers. We also are fans of Richard Woods designs. We are just now putting the bracing structure on the hull mold for the 32' Eclipse. This boat can be built as tube boat or with a bridge deck cabin. Peace, David


My freind Kevin Hutchinson is the artist. He measured the hull and house, and then drafted the hull and then painted it.
04-20-2012 01:16 PM
peterchech
Re: Tiki 36, Wharram design catamaran

I was on a 43' Wharram once that later crossed the pond. It pulled right up onto the beach at my beach cat club.

I was not impressed. It had very very little space for a 43' boat. The decks are not laid out in a way that makes the best use of all the space, there is no real bridgedeck, and the space in the hulls is very very small for such a large boat. Having a family in this boat would be tight, and I imagine a tiki 36 would be even smaller.

They are seaworthy boats, but supposedly the flare of the deep V gives some discomfort and possible control issues in a seaway.
04-20-2012 03:45 AM
wongai64
Re: Tiki 36, Wharram design catamaran

Many thanks to Boatsmith and Jeff H for their inspiringly articulated replies in this thread. I am in the process of looking for a boat to buy which i intend to spend many years on with my young family and learn to sail it to its apex.
I have spent many years on the water, mostly coastal cruising in power boats. The romantic ideal of sailing now has me firmly by the hip pocket and i am wanting to buy a multihull. I have looked at Searunners, Cross's and Piver because Tri's in Australia are the affordable multihull option. Im not interested in plastic
(unless someone wants to buy me a dragonfly or farrier) So when Wharrram's came into focus, my interest in Cat's resurfaced as a possible option. Much has been said about performance and perception of such but it is only the two aforementioned contributors who have given a would be/potential Wharram owner a balanced and objective view of their capabilities. I agree with you on your point of experience and sail trimming contributing to better overall performance, seamanship in navigating more windward points. Quality of build must also contribute to performance. then..If all else fails... a reliable motor to windward or anchor/beach up till the wind changes. Isn't cruising about enjoying time passing slowly?
Boatsmith, in your professional opinion.. how close to the wind will your Tiki 36 sail? Is it possible to put a pilothouse on them with dry access to the hulls?My partner loves the idea of a cat which doesnt require accessing the other hull via the elements and a lounging area for shady mohito afternoons.
Also thanks to someone ( cant remember who) for the comparison to an old Kombi.. I have always wanted one to modernise with newer technology whilst keeping the great Kombi "look".
08-31-2010 11:16 AM
grmitche If I get to florida - I'll look you up for sure. Might happen around year-end.
08-31-2010 10:59 AM
Boatsmith C'mon down and go for a sail grmitche
08-31-2010 12:14 AM
grmitche We had our first family cruise this summer on our Contour 34 - and while it was great - the appeal of something like the rigid deck of the wharram would have been even better. I've not sailed one - and am a bit concerned about the possibility of pitching given the pinched ends, so I lean a bit more towards Richard Woods' designs.

Assuming the next couple of years are as successful as this years cruise, I'd expect that we'd be looking for something like this boat in 2-3 years time. I think a boat like this one would be ideal.
08-25-2010 12:59 PM
islandman2 Say what you will about Wharram catamarans, but show me another multihull design with the proven seaworthiness of his Tiki range. Nothing comes close to the number of ocean passages successfully completed in these simple boats. Even the Tiki 21, which James Wharram never intended as an offshore voyager, has circumnavigated. And the same boat, again sailed by Rory McDougall, just completed a double trans-Atlantic this summer, the first leg over as part of the Jester Challenge, and return to England just for the hell of it and to take the boat back home.

Needless to say, the larger Tikis are simply as seaworthy or more so than the Tiki 21. Many Tiki 26's have crossed the Atlantic, as have Tiki 30's and of course the larger Tiki 38, Tiki 46 and so on. These passages were not stunts, nor were they completed because of "luck." People who build and sail these designs tend to be out there living the voyaging life and going wherever they please, rather than debating the merits of boat design on Internet forums.

I have sailed the Boatsmith Tiki 30, including a delivery trip to Nassau last summer. David has raised the bar on these designs without a doubt, showing what's possible when a great design is built to exacting standards by professionals using state orf the art materials and technologies. Sure there are some ratty home-built Wharrams out there. Many people who build these boats have no idea what they're getting into and lack the skill and the funds to build them to a high standard. Yet, the designs are so forgiving they still manage to build them and often sail them far.

As for the overall appeal of the designs, as Wharram himself said, you either love them or hate them. I happen to love them because I know what they can do and I think they look really cool anchored in a tropical lagoon or pulled up on the beach somewhere.
08-25-2010 12:57 PM
Boatsmith Many early Wharrams are very flexible vessels. This is in part due to design and also to lack of building and rigging finesse and lack of maintenance. Wharram's newer designs are lashed together. This technique applied with diligence and modern ropes will yield a much more rigid structure. Part of Wharram's design philosophy is that a minute amount of flexibility in the beam to hull connection serves to absorb the intense shock loading inherent at these connections. Indeed if you look at a boat with aluminum cross tubes it is very common to see stress cracks and repairs.
The open bridge deck boat certainly does leave a helmsman exposed, which over time in inclement weather can be both uncomfortable and dangerous. Much like many small monohulls.
On the Tiki 36 we addressed this issue by adding a windscreen and roll down curtain/windows for the helm station.
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