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Topic Review (Newest First)
09-14-2010 05:41 PM
eryka Same experience on the ICW south of Norfolk, VA; whoever was on the VHF was just "Cap'n" But I also like just replacing the vowels with "y" oops, already halfway there with "eryka"
09-14-2010 09:31 AM
deniseO30 Hi marks for Seattle!
09-14-2010 01:18 AM
puddinlegs Denise, if you're taking your boat through the Ballard Locks in Seattle, whoever's at the helm is addressed as 'captain' or'skipper', gender be damned. We're all pretty much idiots in the lyckmyns'/ wYmn's eyes. Vowels are just over rated. Just replace them all with 'y'.
09-13-2010 09:14 AM
deniseO30 I would just suggest she assert her rights loud an clear. There is nothing radical or non-ladylike about demanding what one is due in business. If brokers are anything like other business people, they don't look to share and or include another, unless it's demanded or well explained up front. Is this also situation also affecting her income?
09-13-2010 12:07 AM
dhays
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Originally Posted by mdbee View Post
Dhays may be in fact correct. I certainly don't know the details myself but wouldn't her experience be known to the other brokers? Is it possible that she is feeling like a victim of sexism?
Many times the selling brokers don't know her sailing resume. I actually suggested that when she is submitting offers, she also submit a short sailing resume of herself so the broker will know of her experience and qualifications. She may consider doing that.

She is a woman my own age (52), and when I suggested that maybe the other brokers coming along has nothing to do with their lack of trust in her seamanship but maybe more in the desire of her company, she didn't give that argument much credence.

She is also not one prone to radical feminism. She is just getting mildly annoyed at this consistent pattern.
09-10-2010 02:20 AM
CalebD I'd point out that SailingDog did not use the Subjunctive form of any verb in his past post. I think that requires a salute to all wimyn, women everywhere.
Things are changing a bit in the Navy and MSC and women are officers in command and are not to be dealt with lightly because of preconceived notions.
I am always a secondary person on board when the owner of a boat takes command. I don't have to like their decisions but it matters less to me whether they are male or female.
As SD noted there are plenty of female skippers who know their stuff and why kick up a bunch of dust over such stupid stuff.
09-10-2010 01:19 AM
sailingdog Denise—

Everyone knows women can't sail a boat by themselves... Look at Ellen McArthur, Donna Lange, Jessica Watson, Dee Caffari, Maude Fontenoy... failures, all of them...

Hmm... maybe those women would not be the best examples for me to pick.
09-09-2010 11:31 PM
mdbee
Who knows?

Dhays may be in fact correct. I certainly don't know the details myself but wouldn't her experience be known to the other brokers? Is it possible that she is feeling like a victim of sexism?

Come to think of it, there are a lot of opinionated, chauvinistic asses around here, he may be right.

It's a shame that we jump to conclusions but we do base our opinions on our experiences or at least our perceived experiences.

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Dhays, you hit the topic of this whole thread right on, with your input..thank you!
09-09-2010 09:33 PM
deniseO30 Dhays, you hit the topic of this whole thread right on, with your input..thank you!
09-09-2010 07:41 PM
tdw Me I just hate titles. One of the reasons I sail by myself or with just a very small crew is to keep away from all that bs. If I ever was on a boat where the skipper expected to be called Captain I'd be off at the first opportunity. A large ship, different story I realise but then again I know I would not have been a success in the military.
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