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09-26-2010 12:11 AM
TakeFive
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...I would be up for something in November, though only by car, since my boat will be hauled by then. One possibility might be the new Riverwinds Restaurant in New Jersey - it would give us a chance to scout out their cove for a possible anchorage rendezvous next year on the Delaware:
Fine Dining - ..::The River Winds Restaurant::..
We got in an unexpected sail today. With one forecast showing 35 mph gusts, I woke up assuming we would be landlocked. We headed down to the boat expecting things to be more than we'd want to handle, but found a pleasantly gentle breeze. So we grabbed hoagies at Wawa and headed out.

I finally got up the nerve to pull into the cove at Riverwinds. It might be a nice point for a Delaware River rendezvous. Colin and Denise - what are your drafts again? We went in at about MLLW+3', and found a minimum of about 8 feet at the entrance. So it might be a little tough for Denise getting in at low tide - hopefully she could time it for more water. Once inside we had about 11-12 feet at our mooring ball. (Note that my transducer is about 1' below the waterline.) It was a nice day, and there were about 4 boats when we entered, and about 12 boats - most of them rafted - when we left. One catch is that there is no marina or dock - you need to dinghy in to use their nice restaurant, beach, and walking paths. There were several people swimming, though I would not do that. It's an easy 1 hour sail from Essington, and could be easily reached from Bristol in a day. A bunch of powerboaters in my marina head over there for overnight anchorages.



09-22-2010 03:27 PM
Ulladh Did not get a good photo of the stadium on Friday, better shot on Sunday.
The City of Chester is looking for a marina developer for the cove just down river from the stadium (currently sheet pile three sides but completly silted up at low tide).
I have a design team lined-up but no developer.

09-22-2010 02:43 PM
TakeFive
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...Rick when we left Essington on friday I was about to go under the Commodore Barry and a tug-tow-barge was approaching, I changed coures to go under the span between bridge pier and Chester fishing pier rather than be between the barge and bridge rip-rap...
I noticed that you stayed out of the main span. I just assumed you were trying to get a pic of the soccer stadium. From where I was I could not see that the barge was that close to you.

I went through the main span, but the wind died right as I was approaching and the current pushed me right toward the warning bouy. It made for a few nervous moments:
09-22-2010 01:56 PM
Ulladh Sailing without headway is what I do best.

But sometimes not a good place to be close the shipping channel.

A few years ago when I still had my leaky stinky Volvo inboard, I was sailing with minimal headway under the Commodore Barry main span with a tug/barge behind me. No problem I thought, turn the motor on and get out of the way. Motor turns over, no start, try again, nothing. Wake from the tug/barge has the potential to push me against the bridge pier.

A quick 180 and I am going in a controled drift with the current clear of the channel.

Rick when we left Essington on friday I was about to go under the Commodore Barry and a tug-tow-barge was approaching, I changed coures to go under the span between bridge pier and Chester fishing pier rather than be between the barge and bridge rip-rap.

09-22-2010 01:41 PM
deniseO30 Oh sorry, I was meaning when traveling the river. my bad.. of course for day and evenings it's not a big issue. sometimes it's fun sailing without any headway.. (good to do some fishing I'd guess)
09-22-2010 01:33 PM
TakeFive
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after a few years now I just don't even think of trying to go against the flow.. the ships, barges and tugs use the flow, so it's just good sense to use it for sailboats

Last year coming back from the bay in when we reached Riverside area we were motor sailing with the flow doing about 9 mph. According to the handheld gps I have. I loved that!
Most of what we do is daysailing with restricted hours due to work schedules. When we can turn around at slack water to go both ways with the current, we do that. But sometimes the timing will not allow that, and I try to beat with the current and run/reach against it if the wind is right. For example, yesterday evening was gorgeous, so I headed to the boat straight from work and Lori (who was dying to sail since we motored all day Sunday) met me there. We sailed from 5-7 pm, but slack water wasn't until around 7:30. So we beat downriver at 5 knots with the current, and ran/reached back against the slowing current at around 3.5 knots. So it can be done with planning and a little luck.
09-22-2010 09:39 AM
deniseO30 after a few years now I just don't even think of trying to go against the flow.. the ships, barges and tugs use the flow, so it's just good sense to use it for sailboats

Last year coming back from the bay in when we reached Riverside area we were motor sailing with the flow doing about 9 mph. According to the handheld gps I have. I loved that!
09-22-2010 09:19 AM
Ulladh Anything less than 1 knot current I call slack tide.
09-22-2010 09:00 AM
wwilson Colin & Rick,

This is cruel after reading your slogs on the Delaware, but:



We rode that at least half way down the bay to Annapolis, before the Chesapeake brought a brutal 0.4 knot foul current to the bow. (under power)
09-22-2010 08:32 AM
Ulladh No problem Rick

I wanted to stop at Delaware City anyway to check the actual dredge depth.

The dredge channel at the entrance to the old canal is very narrow. I came through close to high tide and and was getting between 7 and 15 ft on the sounder as I came in from Red 6A on a direct line to the Green daymark at the entrance. The entrance could use more than one day marker. On exit I took a line center of old canal and parallel to the ferry dock to the refinery dredge channel 35ft+ depth then turned to Red 6A and saw not less than 12ft on the sounder as I exited.

I would suggest for entering Delaware City stay in the refinery channel past Red 6A until you have a visual range into the old canal and stay centered on the canal as you enter, keep an eye on your sounder the entire way.

The partialy sunk dredge boat is still sitting in the town dock basin, and no boats at town dock. The government dock was in use (official use only), and marine police boats were at the ferry dock.

I stopped at the marina fuel dock for about an hour, and could have stayed longer. Cannot say for sure but I get the impression that if there is space you only pay if overnighting.

I did not hit the peak ebb tide until Cherry Island Flats, boat motor speed dropped from 4.5 to 2.5 until past Chester Island the I was back to 4.5 my normal motor speed close to slack.

Going slow along Cherry Island flats I noticed the edge (25ft riseing to 12ft)is well defined with a line of crab trap floats green can to green can. I hugged the edge of the flats to reduce travel distance.

DELAWARE CITY MARINA - WELCOME!

Current in refinery channel

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