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10-14-2010 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
Just returned from the show.

Wound up meeting Rick (Rhythm Doctor) over a Pit beef at the Fleet Club. he is a good guy. Hope he gets to visit us sometimes on the Bay.

Actually went on quite a few boats, but more on that in a minute. Got 4 Sails quotes from Quantum, Doyle, UK and Hyde Each of them spent over 25 minutes with me so I saw none of the ignoring from the previous day. Actually the show was not that crowded today. They all priced the same sai (4 full bayttens, 2 reefs)...same sailcloth dacron) ( 7.6 Challanger high mod for the main with full battens and 2 reefs.) and (6.77 challanger high mod for the 150 jib ( I have an 8 high mod 135 already). Hyde was the cheapest $3500 followed by Doyle at $4400, then Quantum $5000, finally UK at $6600. I do not understand why the huge difference. Its the same damn sailcloth. Am I missing something here? Can someone explain to me?

I also to my suprise went on a few boats. We may have the option in the next year to buy a 1998 Hans Christian 43 Christina so we looked at some comparative ones. I went on the Caiber 47, Hylas 46, Halberg Rassey 40, Passport 47. The one which impressed me the most was the Caliper 47. I liked the safety features of the bulkheads as well as the interior. I liked that its decks were lower maintainence than the HR or the Hylas as they were no teak. I liked that it has the second best turn of speed (phrf rating) of the 4 with the Hylas first at 108, the Caliber and Passport at 120 ish, the Hans Christian at 132 and the Halberg Rassey at 162. All had my preferred engine the Yanmar in them except the HR with a Volvo. The nicest richest Interior goes hands down to the HR. I like the presence of a staysail like the hans Christian for higher winds. All would do well in a good blow with the Caliper, Passport and HR doing the best. I like the structure of the Caliber LRC. This is my gotta have boat if I hit the lotto. Of course idf someone gave me one of the complaint would be heard

I spent the least amt of money at this show.....$0

im fairly sure UK has a seperate US subsidary, but if they dont and all corp profits flow through the UK, this might be part of the issue:

1 US dollars = 0.6255 British pounds sterling

Foreign exchange: Pound Euro rate sails close to 6 month low - The Economy News

just a guess, but taking that into account they would be closer to 4k if we (they) weren't getting killed on the exchange
10-13-2010 08:41 AM
Originally Posted by eryka View Post
came back to our boat, looked at our galley (yeah, it's formica instead of corian but you can't get thrown out of the U-shaped layout in rough seas) and got a jolt of "there's no place like home."
It wouldn't be too difficult or indeed too expensive to put Corian countertops in a galley. The stuff works nicely with regular woodworking tools. You could give Cinderella a Christmas present!

It's nice to hear that other folk like the HR40. I sailed mine (original layout) from Sweden to Annapolis in 2006 and delivered the boat show 40 ("classic" layout) from Daytona Beach to Annapolis in 4 days 19 hours, including a quick stop in Beaufort for water (hose popped off the in-built water filter and pumped all the water into bilge - note to self: turn off pressure water when not in use). I really like the boat - good sail plan, fast hull, very comfortable below and a nice galley in both layouts. Of course I'm far from objective on the matter.
10-12-2010 12:23 AM
chrisncate I really loved the Morris 29, what a clean day sailor. Best looking boat by far in my opinion. No lifelines, no stanchions... fin keel with a long overhang and an 8 foot beam.

10-11-2010 11:32 PM
chef2sail The Passport was the boat is was most impressed with at the show.
10-11-2010 09:25 PM
T37SOLARE Was there on Friday, checked out the vendors in the tents, nothing much new to note. Asked West to hold me a $10 boat hook till the end of the day, as I didn't want to drag it around all day.

Had some Carib's with some friends at Pussers. Looked at the HR 40, WOW what an engine room, and nice layout for a 40.

Visited with the Hinckley folks & checked out the Sou'wester 42 MKII, some nice improvements from the original design, but some that I didn't like, oh, yea, they'll even build you one starting at $1.1mil.

Went on the Passport 50something, stood in the saloon and told the broker "WOW thats a long way to fall" as the boat is like 18' wide and NO hand holds! Then saw the Passport 47, and fell in love with her....

Met up with some other friends, and had a couple more Carib's.

Looked at a bunch of other boats, had a very nice conversation with Chris White, nice Cat's & a great guy. Found the wife still on the Passport 47, and had to drag her off it.

Ran into some other friends and headed over to Pussers...

Then went to West to grab my boat hook, and found they had sold them all. They told me they would contact my local store and they would give me the the same pricing, and believe it or not, I stopped by today and picked up the $27 hook today for $9.99. +1 for West Marine!

Again missed meeting up at Port Annapolis with everyone, I thought I had a bullet proof plan by parking there, but when the wife got called into a last minute meeting at work and took a separate car she wanted me to park at a place where she knew how to get too and PA didn't work.

Meanwhile, she already made friends with the owners of the PP47 thats for sale at our marina, and wants me to go see the boat & talk to them on Friday....
10-11-2010 07:53 PM
eryka Boat Lust! Drool on the teak! We spent all of our Day 1, and half of our Day 2, looking at gear and chatting with vendors. (Tank tender, new LEDs, Rescue Tape, useful but not sexy stuff). Then this afternoon we went on Gozzard; Morris; etc and were envious. Also Malo and IP. Intrigued by the salon in the bow option instead of V-berth in the smaller boats (36-40 foot). Studied self-tending jibs and staysails. Then came back to our boat, looked at our galley (yeah, it's formica instead of corian but you can't get thrown out of the U-shaped layout in rough seas) and got a jolt of "there's no place like home." Guess there's not so much boat lust after all, though maybe I've been inspired to get out a bottle of Countertop Magic or Murphy's Oil Soap and do some polishing.
10-11-2010 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by mccary View Post
I couldn't help but wonder when I saw the Hunter signs proclaiming they had rolled prices back to 2008 if that was really a price increase since they probably dropped prices in 2009.
Hunter must have known that the Feds were not giving Soc Sec recipients a COLA for 2011 hoping to garner a larger share of the senior citizen new boat buying market. Bless their hearts, thank you Hunter!
10-11-2010 03:21 PM
mccary I was at the show on Friday, and I couldn't help but wonder when I saw the Hunter signs proclaiming they had rolled prices back to 2008 if that was really a price increase since they probably dropped prices in 2009. The show was very enjoyable. I get more of a kick out of the accessories rather than the new boats.
10-11-2010 02:28 PM
nickmerc I just got back from day three at the show. This time the wife and kid stayed home so I was able to go wherever my ADD took me. For kicks I asked how much a new Sunfish cost. I almost broke out laughing when the rep told me the show special was $3300. Once I got control of myself I asked what has changed on the boat over the past 40 years the warrant the huge price tag. He told me the rudder and dagger board are stiffer and less prone to failure and the hull to deck joint is stronger. Also the flotation foam has been replaced by air bags.

I don't see where that would add over $2000 to the price tag. I think finding one on ebay for a few hundred is the way to go.
10-11-2010 01:51 PM
bb74 I can't vouch for the 425 but I did spend about 3 weeks on a 325. Overall an OK boat, good value for money.

Not fast, the lines were not that well thought out as there was chafe on the foresail lines. Boat had OK motion in waves (we did up to Northerly F8 in about 3.5M seas off Marseille.) Needed to power down around F4, fair amout of leeway but that can be improved with experience on the tiller.

Build quality is fine for the hull/deck. Interior looks nice but at least on the 325 doesn't stand the test of time. Woodwork is mostly composite board with hinges and locks directly into the board - no solid wood runners or frames. This is a big issue in terms of life & wear on extended cruising. I don't know if the larger boats are better built but the 325 had cosmetics "issues"...

Still, you get what you pay for and they are a good value if you want a vanilla cruising boat with good looks.
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