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10-10-2010 09:19 PM
AlaskaMC
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Originally Posted by CrazyRu View Post
Boats parked in the corner of the lot on hard normally get no attention at all, and most water damage I've seen while looking for my boat was from rain water collecting inside of such boats.

I think that giving V-birth to kid(s) is a good idea. I have not had kids staying too long on my boat, but on a few occasions when I had small guests, they always liked to congregate in V-birth creating two separate areas one for adults and another for kids. Besides they had no problem going outside through the sky hatch, completely bypassing rest of the boat
Great points! Thanks. I had not thought of the rain collecting in the boat without someone watching out for you. I can just imagine what the combo of lots of leaves, then rain could do if things plugged up.

Good to hear though on the V berth idea. We were hoping that it was sound thinking as it sure does open up a number of boats that we had completely dismissed when we were thinking the three cabin minimum. Although a used First with a shoal draft is sure a nice looking option. Seems like it would be fast and family friendly. Just need to up the budget a bit.

You should see the machines we have when we started out just shopping for a couple simple snow mobiles to dink around on. Now we have two high end long track mountain machines with billet bling and custom work. Why does this seem like a trend in my life? I guess I learned it from Dad. We went out once to pick up "a little john boat for us to fish from", what Mom was told, and came home with a deep V Chris Craft.
10-09-2010 06:07 PM
CrazyRu
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Our thoughts regarding storing out of the water had less to do with fees, than with maintenance with us out of the state. I was thinking a boat stored in salt water would require much more attention than a boat out of water.
My observations are quite opposite. Boat on hard most likely gets less attention than boat in water. Most marinas in popular areas are having some sort of service when living aboard in the marina provide some baby(boat) sitting services for very small fee, besides there are always somebody to spot if something wrong with the boat -lines chaffed or boat is sitting too low in water, stuff like that.
Boats parked in the corner of the lot on hard normally get no attention at all, and most water damage I've seen while looking for my boat was from rain water collecting inside of such boats.

I'm not saying that keeping a boat in water is always better that keeping it out, however arranging some sort of watch on your boat is not difficult or expensive.

I think that giving V-birth to kid(s) is a good idea. I have not had kids staying too long on my boat, but on a few occasions when I had small guests, they always liked to congregate in V-birth creating two separate areas one for adults and another for kids. Besides they had no problem going outside through the sky hatch, completely bypassing rest of the boat
10-09-2010 05:33 PM
AlaskaMC Great information. But, I should be honest about much of December plans having as much to do with getting out of -50F temps for a few weeks than actually finding/buying/sailing a boat (think excuse for a trip down south). Good to know that the access to folks on the docks will be significantly less. That will keep our expectations low. Heck, our top temps here in summer are lower than Florida's low temps in winter. We will be on the beach swimming by ourselves while people watch us in disbelief! If we didn't go to Florida, we would be doing some sort of tropical vacation and that would really cut into the deposit!

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I second the Catalina 27 not being the boat for you. The V-berth felt too short for me and I am 5'10". No way a couple of 6 footers being comfortable up there.
Also, our thinking with this size boat is that we would make the Vberth our little girl's "room". Then she could have her own space, go to sleep at night with a door, and we could stay up. Then we would use the convertible to sleep in and treat the salon/cockpit as our space at anchor. Does anyone out there use their space this way? Seeing boats in person is REALLY going to help in our thoughts.
10-09-2010 05:15 PM
jephotog I would wait till summer and come with as much money then to start your search. While warmer in December in NC and Fla than Alaska, it is too cold for a lot of the locals to sail. I am just guessing from my time sailing in New Orleans. There are some that will sail year around but for the most part the docks will be empty and you will get a lot less traction looking then than the beginning of boating season. If you do find a boat you are then responsible for storage until you come sail it. Adding the cost of travel, and lodging for 3 and the boat hauling and storage for 8 months, just for the possibility to sail a little bit in December, does not make sense, IMO. Besides the "cold", the days are short, so less boat work or sailing can be done each day. All that extra money could go to a bigger boat or cruising kitty.

Can you work in December and take 2 months off in summer? You could do more research all winter, have some people here look at some boats you are interested in. There is a thread of people willing to check out boats for others somewhere on this site. You could use that to narrow down some boats, then one of you fly out and pay to survey the boat, purchase and be ready to start sailing or working on the boat when the other arrives.

I second the Catalina 27 not being the boat for you. The V-berth felt too short for me and I am 5'10". No way a couple of 6 footers being comfortable up there.
10-09-2010 03:02 PM
AlaskaMC Here are some boats we are interested in at this point...

1978 Bristol 29.9 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1982_Ericson_28

1975 PaceShip Sloop sailboat for sale in Maryland

and the Cat...
1985 Catalina Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Of course since we won't be able to even go look in person until Dec, this is mostly just an exercise at this point until we get closer. Been looking for the Cal 28, haven't found one close to where we would want it, found a couple in CA, but that makes sense I guess. Looking for Freedom's now as well. Thanks for all the suggestions!
10-09-2010 02:48 PM
AlaskaMC Oriental is exactly where we are seeing some of the boats we had interest in, and one of the things that drew our attention towards NC. One thought we had was to purchase in one place, lets say NC, and work our way into other areas, storing the boat in a new location after a few trips and exploring that area. Lets say working south over a number of years.

Our thoughts regarding storing out of the water had less to do with fees, than with maintenance with us out of the state. I was thinking a boat stored in salt water would require much more attention than a boat out of water. That has been my experience knowing folks with boats up here, they pull out their powerboats after each use to avoid the maintenance, more so than slip fees. This is for boats in the 20-30 foot range. Of course, much easier to pull out a powerboat, no haul out costs.
10-09-2010 12:24 PM
CaptainForce I like these obsevations made by CrazyRu above. Oriental is one of our favorites, along with Elizabeth City, Little Washington, Belhaven, Beaufort....and as far as storage on the hard, I only see it in the frozen north or when people are doing major refits...or worse, when the vessel is in probate. We've been out for only one week periods for the last twenty-five years on this boat with the longest span in the water being four years. ....and yes, those Freedoms are nice, too! Take care and joy, Aythya crew
10-09-2010 07:27 AM
CrazyRu
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Originally Posted by AlaskaMC View Post
Am I hearing correctly though that NC is a bit trickier than some of the other areas mentioned? Mostly we had started thinking up that way due to the number of boats that were available in NC.
I don't think that NC is more trickier than Florida. NC, SC and Georgia have excellent protected cruising areas. The areas are less "tropical" and picturesque, more rural, however there are still people leaving from a sea, and, in some aspects, the coast between Georgia and Virginia is more "authentic", sort of. Also there are plenty of anchorages and protected bays. You will need shallow draft boat to explore ICWW. It shouldn't be a problem with boats under 30 ft. NC town of Oriental is sort of sailing capital of the coast. There are thousands of boats sitting, some for sale, and town itself is worth a visit. Also boat storage is much cheaper there. So I'd not skip NC.
Also I don't see why you want to keep your boat on hard. There is no other reason than bottom job, to pull the boat out. Accumulating coast of hauling out will be higher than difference in wet and dry storage costs, if any, in my opinion.

I kept my boat some 3000 miles south from my place for a while. I and my girlfriend have had wonderful spontaneous three-four day vocations in midst of a winter, just fly in, get on a boat and go sailing for couple days and fly out.

After sailing Catalina 27 for a week, I, personally, don't think that this boat is all that great, I found it uncomfortable and poorly designed on outside, anything on a deck was out of sync, and in a way. It is very good boat inside at dock or anchor .

I'd suggest to look at Pearson 28 (not a Triton, next version), You can find one at $10000-15000 range and this boat can take you out of sight of land when you outgrow protected waters, or smaller Tartans.

I can also pitch for Freedom line of boats, however I understand that it is sort of unconventional boats and may not be everyones cap of tea. They tend to be more expensive too.
10-08-2010 05:06 PM
Boatsmith CAL 28 Cal 28 Sailboat Cal Sailboats Cal Boats Cal Yachts Classic Plastic Jensen Marine Cal 28 Bill Lathrop Jack Jensen Good Old Boat This is an older boat with a lot of room and a pretty good sailor at usually a great price theses days.
10-08-2010 04:30 PM
AlaskaMC Wow! Thanks for the great information. That is just the stuff we were hoping to hear. I would love exploring all of the Florida coast over a number of visits. Seems like there will be a ton to see before we even venture out to the Bahamas etc. Am I hearing correctly though that NC is a bit trickier than some of the other areas mentioned? Mostly we had started thinking up that way due to the number of boats that were available in NC.

So it sounds like this isn't too crazy an idea. We have looked at the 28 Cat as well and it looks really nice, just newer and a tad more expensive but not out of reach. Any other boats anyone would suggest? Thanks so much! Can't wait to show this to my wife, we were both a bit nervous that the general response was going to be we were nuts!
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