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09-29-2011 11:45 PM
rgscpat So, after reading the Canadian accident report, it seems that the Concordia was quite vulnerable to knockdown, even with its reduced sailplan. It really is scary to learn that a "mere" 30-ish knots of wind would have been enough to endanger the ship, and that what hit it may not have even been a full-scale microburst. Had I been crew on the ship, unless I'd been told otherwise, I would never have thought it would be in danger from garden-variety squalls. It seems that a lot of 35-footers might have better stability.

Additionally, the owners had been negligent about updating contact info for the ship, contributing to delays in the search effort. And the ship was traveling near squalls with lots of vulnerable doors open. And they had the bad luck to have most of their comm gear on the side that went down.
09-29-2011 11:42 PM
WDS123 The only way to win this one is to become a super zealous safety nut.

1) keep the cabin hatch closed and bin boards in while sailing.
2) PFDs and EPRBs even while sitting at dock
3) keep the VHF set to weather during the entire trip, make sure squelch s set just a trifle too high
4) Obsess about keeping a lookout and analyze every cloud
5) Practice MOB drills endlessly
6) review in boring detail Pan Pan and MayDay procedures
7) practice many times dousing the sails and tieing down everything in event of squall


She will soon be lecturing you about taking it easy
09-29-2011 09:35 PM
estopa I was able to find it via torrent search. Google "Abandon Ship: Concordia torrents"
09-29-2011 02:10 PM
jackdale The TSB report is out

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-re...3/m10f0003.pdf

Human errors are sited. I am still reading the report.
02-12-2011 12:42 AM
Faster Hi Jack... we just finished watching the doc ourselves, (we PVRd it last night too)

I thought it was well done - and poignantly told the human side of the story. The obvious emotion and concern on the part of the crew (esp the Capt. and the two mates) was powerful stuff.

The Brazilian S&R doesn't come out of it too well (though that is just one side of the story) - at first deciding the EPIRB was a false alarm, and then, after Canadian efforts resulted in a couple of freighters diverting for a 10 hour successful rescue, taking credit by unnecessarily (and against the skipper's wishes) transferring students to a navy vessel for a "rescue photo-op" in Rio.

A remarkable story, though, that all 64 souls survived, got into rafts, and were ultimately rescued. We were enroute to the Caribbean when it occurred and never did see any news reports on it at the time.

Also interesting that 16 of the students involved returned to their new ship on it's first voyage out of Norway.
02-12-2011 12:00 AM
jackdale
Only in Canada

CBC has released a one-hour documentary on the sinking of the Concordia. It was aired last night. I PVRed it and just watched it. It is available online, but only in Canada.

Abandon Ship: The Sinking of the SV Concordia - Doc Zone | CBC-TV

Maybe other nationals could pressure a broadcaster to show it.

Summary

Abandon Ship: The Sinking of the SV Concordia recounts the events of February 17, 2010 when a freak weather phenomenon called a microburst hit the tall ship causing her to capsize with 64 souls aboard. With her Captain below deck, no way to send a distress call and only four life rafts, the crew barely escaped. As the rafts drifted from the floating debris, the survivors had no idea if any one knew they were alive or would ever come to rescue them.

“For a few hours I experienced my worst fear: that I had lost my daughter. I imagined her funeral, her empty room, her last moments. I imagined the horrible time in Canadian history that this would be, a modern day Titanic, a black mark for 64 families… forever. In those dark moments you pray, you hope, you beg. And for all of us those prayers were answered.”

This is a particularly personal story for the Director Dianne Carruthers-Wood as her daughter Natasha was aboard the ship at sinking.

The SV Concordia was a floating high school. She was home to hundreds of students over the years who never in a million years thought she would sink.

“I am haunted as we shoot this film and tell this story that we could be doing it in memorandum of these people. This crew wasn’t out to save themselves, they saved each other. That is the silver lining in this story.”

The gratitude and relief that followed gave voice to this film which is dedicated to the 64 survivors and their rescuers, the crews of the Hokuetsu Delight and the Crystal Pioneer.

Abandon Ship was produced by Dianne Carruthers-Wood & Shelley McGaw for Endless Media Group in association with CBC-TV.
11-09-2010 02:48 AM
rgscpat
Tall ships versus small

Tall ships are built very differently than cruising sailboats. I may over-simplify, but the naval architecture fans can fill in the details and provide a more accurate answer to follow-up on my speculating.

Most modern blue-water and even typical production monohull cruising sailboats have a good righting moment that will help the boat pop back up from a knockdown, thanks to deep fin keels with heavy lead or iron ballast.

Old time sailing ships, however, relied on their beam and mass (and perhaps relatively less powerful sail plans or the ability to actually remove the upper masts and sails before entering an area of expected heavy weather) for capsize resistance, and didn't have deep, heavy metal keels to provide righting moment in the event of a severe knockdown. Often, their ballast consisted of loose rocks that could be dumped overboard in order to make more room for cargo. A great fear in the olden days was cargo, ballast, or cannons escaping confinement and battering the ship's hull from the inside. A more modern tall ship designed to train young people would presumably have some form of fixed internal ballast, but it still wouldn't likely have the sort of righting moment of a deep-keel boat cruising sailboat.

There are also other differences, notably in the complexity of the rigging on a sailing cruiser versus a tall ship. The skipper and crew on a small cruiser can often pop the sheets out of a clutch or cam, dump the traveler, and even roll up a roller-furling headsail, within seconds, to relieve excess wind loads. Good cruising and racing skippers are always alert and ready to ease lines immediately. But on a tall ship with a skeleton professional crew and students or guests whose safety must be maintained, the loads are heavy, and the rig by comparison is extraordinarily complex and inefficient to handle. Reefing or dousing all of those sails would take an extremely long time -- far too long if the tall ship has already been hit by an unexpected microburst. In general, a tall ship could probably work only a few sails at a time especially in severe conditions.

There may be other differences in terms of the relative strength and margins of the rigging, windage, speed of maneuvering and ability to maneuver to reduce loads, difficulty of tacking square riggers especially in heavy air, etc., but someone more expert can discuss these.
11-09-2010 12:30 AM
sailjunkie
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It sure was for the students on board.
After watching that video, I completely agree.
11-09-2010 12:29 AM
sailjunkie
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CBC | Land and Sea

I know some students from Calgary who had sailed on her.
Good video, JD. I was going to ask if that series was still running, but they were kind enough to show the schedule on that web page.
11-08-2010 11:00 PM
jackdale
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Not the biggest deal.
It sure was for the students on board.

But I guess within the scope of the universe, there can only be one biggest deal; maybe the big bang.
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