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11-19-2010 10:35 PM
newhaul many people who charter will get a sailboat and motor it like a power boat due to the fact a sailboat costs about half that of similar sized power boat and they will power it and have no idea how to raise sails let alone actually know that there is a stability issue.
11-19-2010 07:34 PM
PCP
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Originally Posted by AdamLein View Post
This statement is disproved by the fact that the first two crews didn't have any problems, which you agree they must have had, had they been sailing upwind.

The description of the incident mentions that they were all very lucky and had downwind runs in both directions.

Sometimes wind changes direction, I guess. Whoda thunk?
Whoda thunk?

I am not saying that most of the sailing was not downwind, they say it was, but when someone charters a boat it is normal to try the boat (to see how it sails) and that includes to take a look at the upwind performance. We are talking about three different charter crews and it is almost impossible that any of them had not tried to go upwind, in any given moment.

As I have said, they only got away with it because it was a boat with lots of initial stability (form stability) and because the wind was weak.

Regards

Paulo
11-19-2010 07:23 PM
oaklandsailor Baloney!
11-19-2010 07:03 PM
AdamLein
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Originally Posted by PCP View Post
if they had wind from behind on one direction on the return trip they would have a head wind.
This statement is disproved by the fact that the first two crews didn't have any problems, which you agree they must have had, had they been sailing upwind.

The description of the incident mentions that they were all very lucky and had downwind runs in both directions.

Sometimes wind changes direction, I guess. Whoda thunk?
11-19-2010 02:11 PM
PCP Yes they were all lucky but what kind of sailor does not notice that the boat has not a keel?

All the three crews made trips that returned to the same point. That means that if they had wind from behind on one direction on the return trip they would have a head wind. The third crew broached near the Charter base, meaning that they had sailed all the way to that point without major problems.

I know that modern boats can sail in weak winds without the ballast, relying only in its big initial stability, but not noticing that the boat was drifting hugely (without a keel) is odd. Against the wind the boat should be going really sideways, making as much frontal as lateral way.

Regards

Paulo
11-19-2010 08:56 AM
sailingdog The main reason was sheer dumb luck. The winds were mostly from behind the boat, and there's little torque to tip the boat over when running.
11-19-2010 07:00 AM
PCP Lats summer I had charted for the first time a boat. It was a 5 months old boat that looked like a 3 or 4 years old boat, with lots of damaged things and some broken. I had no idea that a boat could be destroyed so quickly. It was a good and relatively expensive boat

Now I understand why the owner of that small charter company, on the boat reception, dived under the boats: With that kind of sailors, you would never know if a keel or part of a rudder is missing

Regards

Paulo
11-18-2010 09:27 PM
chall03 It seems unbelievable but I do definitely believe it!

When we were chartering in Italy last year we pulled into a Marina next to a bunch of german guys on a chartered Bavaria.

Walking back from the showers as I boarded our boat I looked down in amazement to see that at least half of the Bavaria's Rudder was gone!

Negotiating the language difficulties we asked them about it and found out that they had no idea, had just picked the boat up the day before, and had in fact wondered why the helm was not particularly responsive
11-18-2010 09:06 PM
blt2ski Paulo,

This all is three week old news on the jeanneau owners site/forum!

I got the article, altho I have not seen some of the pics you have shown as of yet. I'll have to wait to read the actual article for probably 30-45 days when they start getting to this side of the pond.

marty

on edit, here is a link to the jeanneau owners forum info, and a link to a YBW forum on the last post, where folks have talked about this.
jeanneau owners network - Sun Odyssey 37 sails 100 miles without keel
11-18-2010 06:49 PM
PCP No, it was a 2002 37ft Jeanneau.

Here is the relevant part of the article;





From the December Yachtingmonthly edition that you can find in Zinio:

Yachting Monthly | Subscribe | Libros y revistas digitales de Zinio

Regards

Paulo
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