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11-26-2010 02:38 PM

for the delay!

I didn't realise that the replies were still building up as I think I inadvertently switched off the e-mails.

I guess first off I need to explain this is my first boat... I want to enjoy it, I do love the racing side for sure and have done a little bit myself. I thought the catalina would be a happy medium for me. Not having had a boat before though I'm not really going to have any comparison for the moment so maybe I should just spend less and take a 40+ hunter for a while? I never realised boat buying could be such a task I've been looking on and off for 2 years and solid for the past year and I'm still unsure.

Its the interiors of the catalinas and hunters (1995 upwards) that are doing it for me I'm not ashamed to say. I understand that I most likely will not be down there a huge amount unless I eventually decide to live aboard but its still what I like most.

So now you know its my first one it may help

George B - appreciate that rundown, I too would love to get hold of a Sabre but that type of money is definitely not within my grasp at the moment and I think I would shed a fair few tears when I pranged it. The 380 is one I have looked at in great detail as of late.

TheWhiteRabbit - I nearly did the same thing

Olson - I can honestly say that I didn't know as I haven't even glanced at them as yet - although I currently have a couple of tabs open in firefox giving me the rundown!

puddinlegs - Good question and a tough one to answer, I want to say at the dock as I believe when I'm sailing and its nice outside I'd be topside, but then would I be if its nice below? So I'd say a bit of both.

BGallinger - Ease of handling is the big thing there for me in your statement, I plan to spend a lot of time with just myself and my girlfriend on so that ability counts a great deal.

Seaparrto - will do thankyou sir

cb32863 - would I be sacrificing safety for a nice interior? I've seen the ratings on both boats and they seem pretty tough to me?

Mimsy - without wishing to start anything, could I ask what your reasons are for not liking the hunter? I'm always interested to hear other peoples views. As for an adventurous itinerary I thought the catalina would support that?

Thanks all!
11-23-2010 09:18 AM
Mimsy The Catalina will do handle your itenary, as will the Hunter. I am personally not a fan of Hunters which is why I did not buy one. If YOU like them, then that is what matters. Your sailing instructor will not be sailing this boat. I will not be sailing this boat- you will. Bottom line- buy the boat you love.

Now if you want to take on a more adventurous itenary, there are better boats suited to that purpose but no way would I tell you which ones because the list is far too long and with too many variables.
11-23-2010 08:26 AM
Originally Posted by puddinlegs View Post
Comfort where? At the dock, or at sea? They're two very different creatures.

Very different, and you can have both.....

Interior comfort is a great thing but, sailing ability, comfort at sea and safety are higher as far as I am concerned. FWIW.
11-23-2010 07:10 AM
Originally Posted by seaparrot View Post
I am not myself knowledgeable enough to comment, but you might search through Sailingdad's post history here and at Cruiser's Forum. He sails a 40' Catalina and knows a lot about them.
That would be CRUISINGDAD, not SailingDad... and he's also the technical editor for the Catalina 400 for the Catalina Owner's Association newsletter.
11-23-2010 02:29 AM
seaparrot I am not myself knowledgeable enough to comment, but you might search through Sailingdad's post history here and at Cruiser's Forum. He sails a 40' Catalina and knows a lot about them.
11-23-2010 02:28 AM
BGallinger They say that if you can sail the great lakes, you can sail anywhere. I have been sailing Hunters in the great lakes for years. Heavy weather may come quickly and with little warning. Gusts to 55 knots can appear with thunderstorms and my Hunter 340 handles the weather with ease. My priorities are safety, ease of handling and comfort. The Hunter takes full marks for all three.
11-22-2010 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by redunculous View Post
For me its pretty much about the interior and the comfort factor.
Comfort where? At the dock, or at sea? They're two very different creatures.
11-22-2010 09:24 PM
olson34 You do realize, I hope, that a 90K budget will get you into a really nice Ericson 38, with change to spare?
11-22-2010 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by bljones View Post
I would kill for a $90K budget. I'd be buying a whole GRIP of boats.

11-22-2010 08:21 PM
GeorgeB I have owned my C34 for a little over ten years and have both cruised and raced her pretty extensively so I have a pretty good idea of the product’s capabilities and how she stacks up against the “competition”. I have also raced (2nd place, PacCup, 3rd place Rolex Big Boat Series) other people’s boats so I think I can keep any bias in check.

The 380 was under development at Morgan when Catalina bought them out and Gerry Douglas completed the design with a “Catalina” style interior and some minor tweaks to the rig. I have sailed on that boat a few times and in winds in the mid twenties (TWS) in San Francisco Bay. The boat sailed well and balanced (110 jib). I have not sailed that boat in a heavy sea state, but from what I experienced, she should track well and not be too tiring for the helmsman. The boat does have an ST6000 hydraulic autohelm which is more than capable of handling high sea states in that boat. Rig wise, the 380 has a higher aspect mast than the typlical Catalina and some variants have a baby stay installed. I did not detect any mast pumping on the boat I sailed. I do not track the 380’s pricing so I don’t know if $90k is a good figure or not. Catalinas on the West Coast tend to have a higher resale value for some strange reason. Just be wary of any hurricane boats.

What has impressed me the most about the product line is their relatively high value for the price. They are not constantly redesigning their products and they do use a lot of common parts. They have a high economy of scale. The downside is they do not do custom work, so one Catalina pretty much looks like another (but it does keep the used boat prices high). They do have a fantastic customer support organization (run personally by Frank Butler himself) and the owners are quite loyal and have very active websites. Performance wise, they are not racehorses. My boat rates a 147 here in California, and I need to sail her well in order for her to match her rating. In open YRA, OYRA and SSS competition I am in the front half of the fleets and occasionally finish in the money. A lot of boats mentioned on this BB as being superior, I have prevailed over in racing. The only Hunter I have had the opportunity to race is a Hunter 47 in the Party Circuit. I have never failed to correct out ahead of him and I occasionally beat him boat for boat. Not bad for a “fatty catalina” that’s over ten feet shorter. Sure, I’d love to get my hands on a Sabre 42, but at a half million for a used one, it ain’t happening any time soon.

This photo is from the Double Handed Lightship race a couple of years ago. We finished third.

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