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6 Days Ago 12:03 AM
skygazer
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

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Originally Posted by quint View Post
I chose a trailerable Hunter 23 as my "return to sailing" first boat. It compares to both Catalinas except it doesn't point quite as well with a wing keel. But I still do well racing. It is a little less like camping...

...And a smooth sea never made a skilled sailor.
Get a boat that you can use and just don't mess with the weather too much.
The Hunter 23 is an great boat! I've survived some rough stuff in mine.

I have owned a Hunter 23 for about four years, and really like it. Here is another thread with some discussion about it:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-r...nter-23-a.html

As far as mast raising, the H-23 has a longer mast than usual for a small boat, the length works against you when stepping. I now use a double block system at the mooring pin to increase my own leverage, with the line running down the starboard side to the winch. With a gin pole and two conduits stopping sway I can raise and lower the mast by myself, and stop anywhere along the way to clear shrouds or lines. I generally raise the mast on the water, either at the dock or on a mooring or anchor. I originally raised the mast in my backyard while working out my system.

Warning!! Be certain to jam a trimmed wine cork or similar in the slot above the J hook at the top of the mast where the forestay hooks in, so it can't shift during the mast lifting. Also, I wrap small ball bungees around the turnbuckles on the side shrouds so they stand up and swivel fore and aft, this prevents them from bending - something I've seen a lot.

It's a fast boat, and a great inshore sailer. My wife and I have lived on board for a full week or longer each year. It is too light for offshore work. It is my favorite overall compromise for hauling around, setting up, and staying on and sailing.

We just came back from trailer launching our Victoria 18 on Casco Bay in Maine, tiny ship almost the size of a canoe with a lead keel. I love it! We can actually sleep on it, but it is so tiny! We actually sailed out quite far, but mostly gunk holed around places we never dared go before in a larger boat. Perfect for exploring. You forget you are sailing such a small boat when on it.

Fog bank rushing in fast:



Victoria 18 gunk hole island beach, anchored:
6 Days Ago 05:34 PM
quint
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

Vehicle capacity to pull the load aside, You can't go very far wrong with either of the Catalinas. the 22' including Capri has a large class and you can trailer it easily. But weekends are a lot like camping.
The 25 is a well designed boat, large class, and comes in 3 keel configs. I believe. Also very popular and should retain value.
You know either boat can be left in the water at dock or anchor, and won't take on rainwater.(if towing is inconvenient).

I chose a trailerable Hunter 23 as my "return to sailing" first boat. It compares to both Catalinas except it doesn't point quite as well with a wing keel. But I still do well racing. It is a little less like camping.

The biggest thing is to assess your short term needs. There is a great article in this months Cruising World 9/15 Page 64 I think. Excellent decision making framework.

There is no sailor that will judge your choice of boat. And a smooth sea never made a skilled sailor.
Get a boat that you can use and just don't mess with the weather too much. Any thunderstorm can and will run you down when you can only make 6 knots. Practice reefing, Hoving to, and do Man overboard drills regularly.
Good sailing and beautiful sunsets to you and your crew. BTW plan to return to port on a downwind. Pure delight.
6 Days Ago 04:20 PM
SHNOOL
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

You didn't wait the requisite 2 years to dredge this up again...
6 Days Ago 02:32 PM
sethpool
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

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Originally Posted by skygazer View Post
Thank you for your post. I read your entire review and found it to be wonderfully detailed and informative. It even gave me insights into other boats I own or have owned or looked at. Probably the best and most complete review of any sailboat I've ever seen.

Thanks again for the huge effort you put into sharing your knowledge.
Thank you very much for your kind remarks.
07-28-2014 09:08 AM
skygazer
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

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Originally Posted by sethpool View Post
I realize this is an old thread, but it apparently gets resurrected every other year, and since someone else will stumble into it like I did, I thought I'd post a link to an extensive review of the Catalina 25 review I researched and wrote. Fair winds!

Catalina 25 Review | Which Sailboat?

Thank you for your post. I read your entire review and found it to be wonderfully detailed and informative. It even gave me insights into other boats I own or have owned or looked at. Probably the best and most complete review of any sailboat I've ever seen.

Thanks again for the huge effort you put into sharing your knowledge.
07-28-2014 03:36 AM
sethpool
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

I realize this is an old thread, but it apparently gets resurrected every other year, and since someone else will stumble into it like I did, I thought I'd post a link to an extensive review of the Catalina 25 review I researched and wrote. Fair winds!

Catalina 25 Review | Which Sailboat?
05-30-2013 11:53 AM
jimgo
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

Jeff_H and others would know better, but I believe the listed displacement is the weight of the boat when outfitted by the manufacturer in its standard configuration (i.e., it's weight without your "stuff" aboard). That is, essentially, the minimum it will weigh. The general guidance, if you're looking at a C25 that doesn't have an inboard, is to tack on about 1000 lbs if you want to get the boat's weight, and another 1200-1500lbs for the trailer if you're figuring out whether your vehicle can/should tow it. 1000 lbs may sound like a lot, but 10% of it will be the engine. Water and fuel will contribute another 50-100 lbs. Then there are PFD's, fishing rods, anchors, batteries, food, and a bunch of other stuff that quickly adds up. When I was shopping for my current SUV, I assumed I needed something that was rated for at least 6000 lbs if I wanted to tow our C25.
05-29-2013 11:19 PM
MrGaston
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

I've read a lot on the internet about trailering a sailboat. Specifically a Catalina 25 swing keel. In every case people list the displacement as the empty weight of the boat. This is not right is it? Isn't the displacement of a boat the weight of the boat loaded to it's maximum capacity?

If I am correct about that, it seems to me that the towing weight of a Catalina 25 would actually be more like 3500 lb (guess) empty boat + around 1200 lb (another guess) for a tandem axle trailer + maybe 500 lb (estimate rather than guess)for things on the boat. Something like 5200 lb towing weight.

Am I missing something?
03-07-2012 04:13 PM
ppiccolo1
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

I found the perfect boat, for me (love the pop-top, like my old VW westfalia campervan). However, I have a 3/4 ton suburban that'll tow 10,000# and it will be on a slip in Lake Michigan 6 months, then head south for the winter. It's a fin keel as well, so I budget an additional $1,000 a year for haul/launch. The PO was a huge plus, retired and physically unable to sail, the boat had been stored inside since 1992. The most helpful gentleman I could have asked for as a newbie. He, BTW used a half-ton pick-up, but it's no trailer-sailer. It'll work perfect for 2x a year though.
03-07-2012 04:00 PM
zumogo
Re: Swing Keel or Fixed Wing Keel? Catalina 22 or 25?

well honestly if you search it or google it this thread comes out every time. So i guess time is not a issue
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