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01-05-2011 11:40 AM
Kiltmadoc
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Originally Posted by zz4gta View Post
What halyards did you decide on?
I went with the 3/8 inch new england ropes VPC with 5/16 inch wichard thimble headboard shackles on each halyard. The new halyards feel very nice and will look pretty on the boat.

I talked with the rigging guys and explained that we have a roller furler. He said to go with standard headboard shackle since there is no way to "quickly" bring down a roller furling sail like you would with a standard jib. That saved me some money too, since i am willing to use a shackle key to undo the furler shackle if i need to switch to a different sail for any reason.
01-05-2011 11:36 AM
zz4gta What halyards did you decide on?
01-05-2011 07:23 AM
Kiltmadoc
My solution to my old sheaves

On the advice of the good people from riggingandhardware.com, I tried using aluminox to fill the groove on the old sheave. Total cost: $12! FYI, I couldnt find a single supplier who could make sheaves that have a 7/16 bore, so this was my only option besides going to a machine shop (I called 3 places, and never got a call back).

Unrelated: I ordered new halyards from the aforementioned rigging shop on 1/3/11 and they showed up at my house on 1/4/11. Talk about excellent service!



12-18-2010 01:16 PM
tommays Zephyrwerks - The Sheave Factory

If you need a custom sheave
12-17-2010 08:58 PM
Kiltmadoc
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Originally Posted by MyBoatWorks View Post
....As I have probably mentioned elsewhere here, I strongly suggest you use (1) Use sheaves with bearings. ....
.......remove the clevis pins and replace your sheaves with smaller diameter sheaves that nevertheless are the correct size. ..... Garhauer has inexpensive, super-quality sheaves I use frequently.
......
I looked up Garhauer, and they have a sheave with 1/2 inch bore, my current sheave is 7/16. Will that make a difference? Garhauer appeals since it's not an arm and a leg for the sheave.
12-16-2010 11:52 AM
MyBoatWorks Kiltmadoc - You're correct. Unless they're off by a decimal, that line's ten times stretchier than their competition and not suitable for halyards.

Tommays - Good point. There are some memory issues with these lines that are either frustrating or fascinating, depending on your viewpoint. For that reason, I don't recommend using them as standing rigging. It's a large subject I don't have time to talk about here, that is more suited to dinghy racing.
12-16-2010 08:49 AM
tommays It comes down to money

I have to spring for 3 new haylards pretty soon and even at Cajun its going to cost about 3X more to go from basic to spectra core

Your sail material comes into play some what as my mylar 150 is sure much more stable than the dacron one was

I still think creep is the bigger issue as we use T900 and it takes a good bit of windup BUT after that it pretty much set in stone it is hard to spend ove a 1000 dollars when 350 might work fine
12-16-2010 08:06 AM
Kiltmadoc SO, the folks over at Cajun rope were kind enough to give me the data on their XLE rope for use in a halyard.

Here's the chart from their rope maker: http://www.novabraid.com/pdfs/P20118-XLE-Performer.pdf

Can someone please tell me if I am reading it right? From what I can see, it stretches almost 7% at a 30% load. That seems more like good dynamic climbing rope than halyard rope to me......
12-15-2010 06:56 PM
MyBoatWorks Kiltmadoc - Sailingdog has an excellent response in regard to Sta-Set X. Because its polyester core is not as strong as Warpspeed's SK-75's fibers, there are many more fibers needed and so a given diameter of Warpspeed is stronger, as well as more supple - It's this ease of handling that really sets Warpspeed apart, in my estimation: It's just a pleasure to use. There are many competitive ropes to Warpspeed and I mention it because it's relatively affordable, amazingly tough and easy to handle. Sta-Set is an entirely different rope to Sta-Set X and the X is made for halyards and not advisable for sheets, as it's not very supple and the tight inner core easily retains twist (Use butterfly coils when handling it - Actually, use butterfly coils everywhere - You'll be amazed at the many advantages.).


We're straying from the topic a bit but while cruising, I've met a few genuinely skilled performance sailors and almost everyone else claims they are, regardless of skill or inclination: Sailing skills in general are quite low and education has shifted subtly to rules from seamanship. I'm similarly, slightly cursed with my rigging movie because very few will admit to a need for the knowledge in it but once seen, everyone raves about how much they've learned and enjoyed it. The best sailors I've sailed with have been open-minded and wanted to learn from me, regardless of their vastly deeper knowledge. I think that's how they have gained it and sadly, have found them to be a small minority.
12-15-2010 04:25 PM
sailingdog When I did the delivery back in the spring, one of my friends called and asked about our progress, because we had been moving at a pretty good speed...he asked if we were motoring. Funny thing is that we had actually been under sail for that whole section, since we had good wind and knew we didn't have enough fuel to make it motoring....we sailed over 20 hours without ever firing up the iron genny... We did fire up the engine when the wind died off, partially to keep up our progress, and partially to power the watermaker, since we wanted to re-fill the water tanks.

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SD, I'm sure there are a lot of cruisers that care a lot about sail shape. However, I haven't met many of them. Seems like most are worried more about the beverage or lunch, and if it's getting dark, they motor in.

And I unfortunately group "day sailors" in with cruisers which isn't correct. Self proclaimed "cruisers" where I sail, have never left the state, don't sail at night, or in anything over 15kts. To me, these people enjoy boating, but not sailing. I have a lot of respect for real cruisers, slip of the tongue on my part. Sorry.
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