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12-19-2010 09:50 AM
71Irwin32
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Originally Posted by souljour2000 View Post
Thanks for posting the details of your outing..this forum serves it's purpose best when real-world situations can be discussed, analyzed, etc and as long as the day in question didn't end in tragedy... someone learned something useful that may help someone else.

As with the Rule 62 thread, of course, once in a while our human fallibilities fail to match the challenge that nature has presented to us whether it be the wrong decision made the night before we leave port or a poor decision made 6 days into a sleepless white-knuckle passage.

In this case I'd say try to get that Atomic 4 fixed...using an outboard with a big 32-foot Irwin has got to be a bear since that prop cant be too far below the water. Propeller cavitation is a nuisance at times with my SF 24 and 9.8 sailmaster outboard but single-handing a 24-footer is one thing...I'd imagine a 32-footer is alot more boat under those conditions when your alone..
Yes I agree with your premise. I'd planned my trip very carefully before hand and then had to wait a few days for the wind to be moderate and out of the North. I left on the only day for the rest of the season that was pretty reasonable and had to come back to work under deadlines. The currents in the Lidia Ann are very unpredictable at best. The outboard even though not optimum wasn't that bad. My real mistake was not inspecting the mainsail real well, ....not only was the reefing line caught up, but a short rope lashed around the boom that i have no recollection of....I saw the reefing line caught up on the mast cleat, but failed to see the rope lashed around the boom about 5' from the end and still don't know where it came from or why it was there. It was what actually caused the tension that tore out the lazyjacks and I didn't find it till much later after I was out of the channel and in the bay.

My fault either way. Otherwise the main wouldn't have caused problems and the trip would've gone much more like planned.

I should've inspected everything more carefully before leaving.

...and I learned that the wheel needs to be further away from the boom block and traveler.

Another note about the depth of the prop. I installed a "Bay Manufacturing" extension on the outboard so the cavitation plate is typically almost a foot under the surface....made a big difference.


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12-19-2010 09:20 AM
souljour2000 Thanks for posting the details of your outing..this forum serves it's purpose best when real-world situations can be discussed, analyzed, etc... someone can learn something useful that may help someone else.


In this case I'd say try to get that Atomic 4 fixed...using an outboard with a big 32-foot Irwin has got to be a bear since that prop cant be too far below the water. Propeller cavitation is a nuisance at times with my SF 24 and 9.8 sailmaster outboard but single-handing a 24-footer is one thing...I'd imagine a 32-footer is alot more boat under those conditions when your alone..
12-19-2010 08:40 AM
71Irwin32 I'm down at the end of the L-head, but am now 600 miles away back at work. I've wondered about the marina over there. Bima?...or something like that. I met somebody from there at the boatyard. They seemed to like it.

oh yea, in your signature....Bahia. That marina is for sale.
12-18-2010 06:31 PM
johnshasteen Where in Corpus do you park your boat? We are over in Ingleside on the Bay, next to the Naval station
12-18-2010 05:46 PM
SEMIJim
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Originally Posted by 71Irwin32 View Post
Just because you've got 30? years doesn't mean everybody else is stupid.
It didn't look to me like he was calling you or anybody else stupid, just relating how he'd been in similar circumstances.

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Originally Posted by 71Irwin32 View Post
Maybe you might think of adding something positive instead of presenting the "high and mighty" attitude.
You might consider taking your own advice.

Jim
12-18-2010 11:08 AM
jaschrumpf
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Originally Posted by 71Irwin32 View Post
The A4 on my boat is virtually brand new removed and sent to Moyer Marine for rebuild and updating, but then the boat sat mostly unattended about 3 years allowing the teak to leak and eventually causing a major short in one of the main wiring loops. Originally I figured I rewire the whole boat and will eventually, but I can in the mean time, isolate just the engine wiring so I can get it running and charging the secondary batteries I installed....gas cleaned out and filter, oil change. That's all it needs. The compression showed 115 psi on all 4 cylinders and the spark is excellent. Maybe a carb rebuild, but I already have all that stuff sent from Moyer.

...but the outboard worked fine in chop up to nearly 3'.
You might already have this, but if you don't I'll save you some time:

A4 Electrical Wiring Schematic - Moyer Marine

That's a link to a PDF of the wiring schematic for the A4. I found it very helpful when I rewired my A4 a couple of seasons back. Your engine sounds like she's a peach -- 115 on all four cylinders is great compression. She'll give you many years of good service if you just take care of her.

Good luck!
12-18-2010 10:28 AM
Allanbc Sometimes you have the luxury of choosing your weather window, sometimes you don't. When I moved my boat from Kemah to Port Aransas, it was at the end of January last year. The weather gave me a three day window of what looked like near perfect conditions sandwiched between bad conditions. My window then deteriorated into a 3 knot wind on the nose for most of the trip. Needless to say we motored instead of sailed for all but the last 2 hours of a 34 hour trip.
12-18-2010 10:28 AM
71Irwin32
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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Sounds like a pretty nutty day. .
Yes, just an unlikely set of circumstances occurring at the same time. My luck....Carma.

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Did you have the old cotton mouth I always get when things start to fall apart?

Hey, you made it. And you learned a lot. Good work, dude.
I didn't really find anything particularly difficult to deal with, except for being extreemly busy for the first few hours. I was however, kicking myself in ass for having $6000 worth of camera gear on board. Most of which is my nearly brand new Nikon D2Sx. It (and the rest of its equipment) is in a large pelican case so I have contingency plans of using it as a float if worse comes to worse....and I WAS wearing my mustang survival suit, considering the day started at 39 degrees and topped out at 50 degrees. I was comfortable in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Allanbc View Post
Sometimes you have the luxury of choosing your weather window, sometimes you don't. When I moved my boat from Kemah to Port Aransas, it was at the end of January last year. The weather gave me a three day window of what looked like near perfect conditions sandwiched between bad conditions. My window then deteriorated into a 3 knot wind on the nose for most of the trip. Needless to say we motored instead of sailed for all but the last 2 hours of a 34 hour trip.
That's about right!!
12-18-2010 10:09 AM
PCP
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Originally Posted by 71Irwin32 View Post
Just because you've got 30? years doesn't mean everybody else is stupid. I picked the best conditions possible for the whole month, according to all of the forecasts, and I would've had to wait the season out to do better. It's December.....and I'd already checked with the boatyard about leaving my boat there for the season. They said no because they are over crowded.

Maybe you might think of adding something positive instead of presenting the "high and mighty" attitude.
Sorry if you misunderstood me. I was not implying that you are stupid but just that there are some times that it is better back off than pursuing with hazardous conditions. I gave an example of a somewhat similar mistake that I had made some years ago, a mistake from where I had taken some knowledge that I wanted to share with you. I don't understand how that can be interpreted as "high and mighty attitude".

Regards

Paulo
12-18-2010 09:51 AM
smackdaddy Sounds like a pretty nutty day. Did you have the old cotton mouth I always get when things start to fall apart?

Hey, you made it. And you learned a lot. Good work, dude.
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