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07-19-2006 12:17 PM
chuck5499 Toyboat -- as SoulMates was my first boat and a 40' at that and i had only been sailing about 3/4 years and i live in Miami with those named winds that we get each year - getting insurance was a problem. I did finally find a broker and used Lloyds and it was not all that bad as SoulMates was new and i carry hull coverage for the full value (the bank likes that). It basically stayed fairly constant for 2 years and then i got hit by lightening and a large insurance claim so it went up a bunch and they put a couple of restrictions on how far i can go south -
I do hope to leave and go cruising this winter and the plan will be to stay within their restrictions which i think i can do and then look for a new policy next year as the boat will be paid off and i can cut the hull value a bit and save a lot.
chuck and soulmates
07-19-2006 08:44 AM
brmn54 I will throw in my 2 cents worth. I have been on a Cal 2-46, it has a world of room and the price is not too bad. To sail them is well…ok, more of a motor sailor. I saw a few in Yachtworld for 70,000 ish to 85,000.
07-19-2006 07:10 AM
Magic_Moments I just remembered to have you check www.Craigslist.com for boats or moorage. Just make sure to switch it to Seattle before you search.

If a boat for sale has a transferable liveaboard status you can be sure they will mention it in the ad or the broker will know about it.

48 North and NW Yachting are free magazines available at most marinas and boating stores and have classified ads 48 North is more sailing and NW Yachting is more powerboats.
07-19-2006 06:54 AM
Magic_Moments About 5 or so years ago they really made an effort to get rid of liveaboards in Seattle and were somewhat successful in marinas that rent land from the DNR. Marinas that own their land have a bit more leeway, so as a result some boats are grandfathered in because they were liveaboards before the big change. There are still some marinas where you can get liveaboard status and put any boat in as long as it complies with their rules. Others are not allowed to add any new liveaboards and if someone sells a boat that has liveaboard status and the new owner does not live aboard then that spot is lost and gone forever. The big public marinas like Shileshole allow up to a certain number to live aboard and when someone moves away they just contact the next person on their list.

My recommendation is if you are looking for a certain area contact the nearby marinas before you buy a boat and find out what they allow. If you have a certain boat in mind then it might be best to get onto a waiting list for liveaboard unless you find a hidden gem.

There are private marinas like Parkshore that I mentioned where you can live on whatever you want as long as it meets their rules. I think the rules for that particular marina are a minimum 20 gallon holding tank and the boat must move under its own power at least once per quarter. There maybe private docks you could rent on if you could find them. Every house on Lake Washington and Lake Union and everywhere between them has a dock and maybe you could find one that would rent you a spot. I never thought of that until just now, so I don't know if its possible. Check the back of 48 North under moorage. Also www.mooragecentral.com which is how I found where my boat is now.

If you are flexible on location there was a marina in Bremerton with in walking distance of the ferry that had liveaboard spots. I think Everett may have some or a short wait.

I may make it sound more grim than it really is, but it definitely is more of a challenge than it used to be to find a spot in Seattle.
07-19-2006 06:43 AM
PBzeer You still need to define just what you are looking for. Do you want a boat, or a house that floats? If you want a boat, is it because you want to go places in it, or just leave it tied up at the dock? Do you want a sailboat, or a power boat, or, just any boat?

It's hard to give you any options, without first knowing just what you want.

Regards,
07-19-2006 06:18 AM
sailingdog By liveaboard status, he means a boat that has been granted liveaboard permission....which is currently quite limited in some areas of the country.
07-19-2006 01:03 AM
Toyboat Thanks Ken - I appreciate your suggestions... One question though:

You mention that I will need to find a boat with a "liveaboard status"

what do you mean by that? couldn't I deem any suitable boat 'my live-aboard' and put it in a marina that will allow me to live on it?
07-18-2006 11:32 PM
Magic_Moments Depending if you want a boat or a space to live on in the water there are several options. I saw 2 liveaboard houses in Lake Union for between $150k and $170k but you can mortgage those through a bank, although slip fees for those were above $340 a month.
Otherwise you need to find a boat that comes with liveaboard status and you may need a brokers help for that. They do come up but are limited because Seattle isn't allowing any new liveaboards at least in fresh water.
Shileshole is remodelling until 2008 so they are not taking anyone from their waiting list until they replace their docks. It may be a good time to get on their waiting list if you don't find a boat that has liveaboard status.

Also check Salmon Bay Marina, they have some liveaboards and control their own brokerage. They have a website that I don't recall.
In Lake Washington check Parkshore Marina. It is condo, but you can rent from an owner and liveaboard for a fee. Then you just need to get a boat to put in there.

Good luck
Ken
07-18-2006 03:44 PM
Surfesq Boatless in Seatle...Sounds like a good movie idea!
Have you looked at Island Packets 30-35. You should be able to find one in your budget range. They are tight and well built boats.
07-18-2006 03:44 PM
SoOkay If the underwritter is overseas, your rate will be higher. But an overseas underwritter will insure a boat that an american one wont.

I've been told this is in part that most American underwriters are really setup for land vehicles and their marine part is so small they stay away from any risk, whereas the overseas ones are mainly or only marine centered.

Hey, the entire rest of the world uses what we would consider an "overseas" carrier, you may be surprised. But i really do not know either way.
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