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01-04-2011 07:18 AM
chall03 'Pommy' is a slang term used alot here in Australia.... meaning something is British. It derives from POM ( prisoner of Mother England).

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Originally Posted by coreywoodworking View Post
This thread starts out functionally enough, a member asking about PS ratings on running rigging. But then it slides into a personal conversation between three, one of whom is a moderator. Isn't the the realm of private messages?

That's what killed the first Sailnet. Lots of good questions, lots of good replies, but then an occasional few, glued to their keyboards (like the Telstar 28) chatting with their buddies, and generating more messages than real sail content.
Someone was having a fun and happy New Years Eve
01-03-2011 05:37 PM
ccriders
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Originally Posted by St Anna View Post
Well, firstly, its a pommy publication.

Secondly they have nothing to do for 6-8 months of the year while the big freeze is on, except to plot, plan, build, rebuild, assess and report on whatever has taken their nautical fancy. So they print it in PS, which takes 3 months to arrive here.

Saying that, its a good mag, better than CH from which I actually know quite a few of the regulars and have been thorough most of the dramas they write about, dont own a fantastic plastic quattro hulled fad. etc etc

Andy, you are letting me ramble.
And what does "pommy" mean?
01-03-2011 11:18 AM
boomvangdc You can buy individual issues of Practical Sailor articles on their website for $10 apiece.

We covered the article you are talking about. Might find the information you need here: Practical Sailor Tests 26 Samples of Rigging | Daily Sailing News from North American Sailor.
01-01-2011 05:55 PM
pdqaltair
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Originally Posted by blt2ski View Post
While not a PS subscriber, too much like consumers reports.....not always correct test methods etc IMHO......

I do have xls extra as halyards and sheets. I do like the feel, less stretch that staset for not that much more. Along with the ability to color code different parts of the running rigging. IE blue/white for mainsail, red/blue for jibs, green blue for the spin.

Takes a pretty good blow to stretch the main/jib halyards.

Marty
One thing you have hit on is that much of choosing, in the end, is application and opinion. For example, Stay Set-X:
* A slight improvement in stretch control, but only about 25%, as I recall.
* A big increase in tangles. Too stiff and doesn't coil as well.
* Does not run through blocks as well.
* Not nearly as durable as most high modulus lines, and thus not a good value over time in some applications (and I am a cheap skate--I use both sorts of line, each where it is the best value).

Some of this could be reduced to numbers, but not all of it. Some people like a rope with a stiff hand.

and so PS uses honest reviewers that express honest opinions. With many products there really is no "best" because of variations in needs.

Those items that lend themselves to laboratory-like testing are tested in that manner. Sometimes there are no ASTM or other recognized tests. Sometimes exhaustive testing would be crushingly expensive. They say what they did and report what happened. Given the lack of advertising to pay for it all and the limited circulation (way smaller than CR!) I think they do a lot.

No, I don't agree with all of it. I write in occasionally. But I respect anyone that runs tests squarely and reports results honestly.

Regarding stretch and halyards, it depends on the boat. My current boat uses Stay-Set and that's fine. My last boat I converted from wire to a 2-part purchase with a Kevlar line. Worked fine. After that wore out (10 years!), I went to Stay-Set X, which was a failure; far to stretchy and more prone to tangle. Later I re-tasked the halyard for other things and still did not care for how it handled. Personally (personal opinion) I think Stay-Set X is a pointless product, while Stay-Set and their high-mod lines are great.
01-01-2011 03:37 PM
sailjunkie
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Originally Posted by coreywoodworking View Post
This thread starts out functionally enough, a member asking about PS ratings on running rigging. But then it slides into a personal conversation between three, one of whom is a moderator. Isn't the the realm of private messages?

That's what killed the first Sailnet. Lots of good questions, lots of good replies, but then an occasional few, glued to their keyboards (like the Telstar 28) chatting with their buddies, and generating more messages than real sail content.
Sorry to hurt your feelings, but the back and forth bantering is what makes Sail Net kind of neat. That's why this thread is in General Discussion, instead of Gear & Maintenance or Seamanship.
12-31-2010 09:42 AM
waterdog52 If you are a tech kinda person, you will like it. It is written from technical point of view. Their test simulate usage. The simulation may not be your application, but the test allow you to judge for yourself and make an educated decison before invest your time in a product. I find it useful it useful and entertaining, but I chose function over form.
12-31-2010 09:36 AM
coreywoodworking
Shame on the moderator

This thread starts out functionally enough, a member asking about PS ratings on running rigging. But then it slides into a personal conversation between three, one of whom is a moderator. Isn't the the realm of private messages?

That's what killed the first Sailnet. Lots of good questions, lots of good replies, but then an occasional few, glued to their keyboards (like the Telstar 28) chatting with their buddies, and generating more messages than real sail content.
12-31-2010 07:37 AM
chall03
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Originally Posted by St Anna View Post
remember to keep blue,wet bit on the left or you'll be visiting us
Best piece of East Coast Navigation advice I have ever heard!

CH is alright. It isn't all about the glossy plastic fantastics, there is still a fairly bona-fide cruising focus, as for the ads well like here I guess they have to do what they have to do to pay for the thing.

Now someone said TD had a pumpkin scone recipe??
12-29-2010 11:14 AM
blt2ski While not a PS subscriber, too much like consumers reports.....not always correct test methods etc IMHO......

I do have xls extra as halyards and sheets. I do like the feel, less stretch that staset for not that much more. Along with the ability to color code different parts of the running rigging. IE blue/white for mainsail, red/blue for jibs, green blue for the spin.

Takes a pretty good blow to stretch the main/jib halyards.

Marty
12-29-2010 11:07 AM
PalmettoSailor
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Originally Posted by Kiltmadoc View Post
rjg23, thank you VERY much, that's exactly what i was looking for and helps greatly in making a purchase decision.

Rigging And Hardware - Rigging Only's Online Store will be getting my call as soon as they are back from vacation.
I replaced my main halyard with VPC last year a like it a lot. I don't think VPC would work for sheets but its great for low stretch applications like halyards where you only handle it putting the sail up and taking it down.

I would advise you to check if your clutches will accept a line one size smaller and if they will consider going with the smaller line. I used the same size and with VPC's low stretch properties feel like I could have saved some weight aloft going with a size smaller and still had less stretch than with lower performance line.

I plan to replace my jib halyard with VPC this winter and I for sure will go one size smaller on it assuming it works with my clutches.
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