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10-31-2012 07:49 PM
dave6330
Re: Island Packet 35

I fully realize that this is an OLD thread.

However, I'd be very interested in hearing from some current (and former) owners of Island Packet 35's.

Do YOU concur with Jeff's evaluation that the IP 35 is mainly suited for boaters not interested in sailing and that, in fact, they sail poorly in heavy going. Are they REALLY so slow that, in your experience, you had to motorsail in order to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time?
01-01-2011 08:45 AM
capecodda You can also charter an IP from here:
Island Yachts U.S. Virgin Islands - Charter Vacations

No affiliation, but we'll be giving them a try to escape New England weather.

We've owned 5 boats over the last 20+ years from full keel's to whale bottom center boarders. As others have stated, our advice would be to think about how you like to use your boat, then pick a design that matches the application.
We've also found that the ideal boat for us changed over time, depending on where we wanted to cruise, where we wanted to moor, how many people we wanted to cruise with, etc. Whatever you do, it's unlikely to be your last boat.
We've had 5 LAST boats so far
12-31-2010 06:15 PM
olson34
There's a customer for Every Boat

Jeff has said it well.
I would only add that, like all boats power and sail, you have to consider first the 'design brief' for a given design, or in this case an entire line of boats.
IP wanted a fairly high-end quality shoal-draft hull with a lot of interior room for living. From that came a long keel with a protected area for prop and rudder in case of groundings, given the shoal cruising areas intended.

Basically it is a trawler hull form with a sail plan above. The fact that it sails poorly is just the reality of that whole design package.

If you sail in deeper waters where you can enjoy the benefits of an efficient keel form and want a hull form intended first for sailing... then you ought to consider another brand of boat.

They are nice enough boats, but you just have to know your real needs.


LB
12-31-2010 06:01 PM
Jeff_H If you want to charter an Island Packet you can try Gratitude Yacht Center which is located here on the Chesapeake. Sailboat Charters Rock Hall Maryland | Bareboat Sailboat Charters Chesapeake Bay | Gratitude Yachting Center Rock Hall MD

Smaller independent charter companies will often have IP as well as a broad spectrum of other boats in their fleets, I don't have time to respond to your other questions.

Jeff

Jeff
12-31-2010 05:48 PM
SouthernBreeze17 Jeff,

Thanks for your opinion. I actually appreciate the negative comments, that's how I can evaluate my decision. I have a couple of questions:

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While you may be able to sail at windspeeds below 10 knots, the boat speed is so slow that you probably wouldn't sail if you had to get somewhere in a reasonable period of time
What do you call "slow"? That was my original question, what speed can be expected below 10 knots? What's acceptable to me, may very well be different than what's acceptable to you.

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compared to boats with more efficient keel configurations
I agree, I am not particularly enamored with the "low density" keel. I have heard that some IPs simply had pieces of scrap iron dumped in the keel and encapulated. What boats do you consider to be more efficient? If that is a 8 to 9 foot fin keel, then it is simply not reasonable along the west coast of FL and the Bahamas (my intended cruising area). I am in the purchasing decision mode, so I'm open to suggestions. How would you compare it to a Caliber 35?

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I would suggest that you charter one and sail the daylights out of it
In what universe can I charter something that doesn't say Benehuntalina or Juno on the side?

Thanks
Southern Breeze
12-31-2010 04:39 PM
Jeff_H The real question would be "How important is sailing to you?" because if sailing is important then an IP is probably the wrong way to go. Living with their poor sailing ability is not so much about speed, but about how much of the time you are willing to motor, or motor sail in proportion tp just plain voyage under sail. Based on my experience sailing on them and around them, below 10 knots they are basically a motorboat with a mast. While you may be able to sail at windspeeds below 10 knots, the boat speed is so slow that you probably wouldn't sail if you had to get somewhere in a reasonable period of time.

And once the wind blows enough that they can be sailed, my experience with these boats is that have an absolutely terrible VMG because they not only point poorly (mostly because of their rig geometry more than their keel), and have a comparatively slow speed through the water, but also make a huge amount of leeway, at least as compared to boats with more efficient keel configurations.

But even reaching in a stiff breeze, thier high drag and inefficient sail plans means they are very slow as compared to similar displacement boats with similar LOA's.

The big surprise is how poorly they sail in heavy going. When you have that much drag, and that inefficient a sail plan, and low density ballast in a shoal draft encapsulated keel, it is hard to carry sufficient sail area to sail well. We ended up reefing early to balance the helm and of course that killed both speed and motion comfort. While thier motion is slow and therefore comfortable for some, to me they rolled and pitched through very wide angles, at least as compared to the boats that I am used to sailing.

To me, Island Packets make great live aboards if sailing is a low priority. There are people for whom sailing ability is not important. They are comfortable with motoring or motorsailing when they need to get somewhere. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Speaking for myself, their sailing performance would be totally unacceptable to me under any circumstance, and I know that I sometimes take a friends don't let friends buy Island Packets attitude at times, but in reality, there is no one universally correct answer on any of these questions. I would suggest that you charter one and sail the daylights out of it because in reality the only person who can answer this question is you.

Respectfully,
Jeff
12-31-2010 04:13 PM
SouthernBreeze17 Tommays,

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If you need to sail someplace upwind and your tacking 15 degrees lower its takes a LOT longer.
An exxcellent point. I have encountered that problem in the past as we were learning to sail the last 7 years on a Hunter 36. Even though, the AWI might show that we were bearing only 40-45 degrees off the wind, 10-15 degrees of leeway meant that our COG was 50-60 degrees off the wind. In time, we have learned to sail the Hunter closer to 30 degrees off the wind as measured by the AWI, but still in certain wind and tide conditions, the COG was well beyond that. One aspect that the broker mentioned about the IP boats is that even though they may not point as high (as measured by the AWI), they have less leeway due to the full keel. This could result in a much smaller difference in actual COG headway toward your destination. He went on to assert that is why the IPs do better in long distance races than the short "daysail" type of course generally set up by your local yacht club.

If the IP "points" 10-15 degrees worse than a typical wing keel boat (and that is a big IF as I don't have any experience with an IP), and has 5-10 degrees less leeway, then the COG difference may be minimal.

Again, it's just a matter of preference of what do you want to do with your boat. If you want to sail a triangular course for an hour or so, that requires one style of boat (and a specific level of effort on the part of the crew). If you want to take off and sail 200 miles or more across open water, that requires another. Then to create a comforatable living quarters for a month or two requires still further differences.

Different strokes for different folks.

Southern Breeze
12-31-2010 09:44 AM
deniseO30 pretty nice accommodations though!

ISLAND PACKET 35 Sailboat details on sailboatdata.com

12-31-2010 08:17 AM
tommays I think the issue is how close hauled to the wind a boat can make effective headway compared to another which seems to be the IP weak point.

If you need to sail someplace upwind and your tacking 15 degrees lower its takes a LOT longer.
12-30-2010 09:21 PM
FarCry Sorry for the brief hijack!!!

I always try to put a shout out to another Bombay Clipper owner. A fine choice in vessels you've made DulceSuerna!!!
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