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01-05-2011 12:31 AM
SlowButSteady
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Originally Posted by L124C View Post

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Some have said they could suspend commercial traffic for the races.
I doubt it. They never have before. Although, I suppose some accommodations are made during Fleet Week (but, that's the Navy, rather than an commercial event).

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Even if they don't, doesn't isn't it just factor into the race strategy (as in my example) like local knowledge of wind or tidal differences? Though...obviously, a team couldn't call the the race if they made the wrong call and coudn't out run the tanker!
Sure, that's the way it basically works now with any other race. However, given the egos (and testosterone levels) involved in the AC (not to mention a couple of thousand spectator boats), it might get interesting --- 72 feet of high-tech composites verses 1000+ feet of steel.
01-04-2011 11:33 PM
L124C
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Originally Posted by SlowButSteady View Post
It will be interesting to see how they lay out the course(s). The Central Bay, particularly the "Slot", is the most obvious choice. But things might get a bit too exciting when the first Panamax decides to come through the Gate during a race.
During the Oracle Allingi match in SF, they did a pro/am thing where they alternated crews (I assumed to let Elisson drive occasionally). The boats were racing downwind in the Slot (the area between the Golden Gate and Alcatraz) with Ellison at the Helm of Oracle. Ellison tried to cut in front of a tanker that was headed the same direction, and ran out of room. Allingi (apparently correctly) choose to go behind the tanker. They called the race, apparently because Larry didn't want to play anymore!

Some have said they could suspend commercial traffic for the races. Even if they don't, doesn't isn't it just factor into the race strategy (as in my example) like local knowledge of wind or tidal differences? Though...obviously, a team couldn't call the the race if they made the wrong call and coudn't out run the tanker!
01-04-2011 02:07 PM
imagine2frolic
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Originally Posted by lobstahpotts View Post
This is my point exactly. Someone should be able to take their own boat, something available to them, and upgrade it with the newest technologies to enter the race and not be left in the dust.Limitations would be a wonderful thing, but the New York court system does not seem to think they are necessary as they keep allowing more and more to happen. Perhaps another amendment to the Deed of Gift needs to be considered now...
How do you think they get the latest technology without pushing the limits? I don't think you understand how much $ it takes to run a Grand Prix car per year. No mater what the sport improvements trickle down to us regular users..

I am still trying to manage to get Imagine home to S.F. Bay. With plans to soon depart after arriving. Now I may have to postpone leaving S.F. to watch the A/C from the water?.............i2f
01-03-2011 06:03 PM
SlowButSteady It will be interesting to see how they lay out the course(s). The Central Bay, particularly the "Slot", is the most obvious choice. But things might get a bit too exciting when the first Panamax decides to come through the Gate during a race.
01-03-2011 05:03 PM
rgscpat Yacht and sailing clubs exist for just about every income level and taste. GGYC seems to be a perfectly acceptable choice with a good racing tradition. What more is needed given the language of the deed of gift and the AC's ability to develop whatever facilities are desired?
01-03-2011 01:15 PM
L124C
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Originally Posted by sailjunkie View Post
Ah yes--Wind. Great photography, but typical Hollywood plot.

When it comes to SF versus Newport, I'm selfish. Airfare for Vancouver to SF is a lot less than Vancouver to Newport.
Thanks for bringing us back on topic, specifically the SF venue. "PCP" started a thread on the more general AC issues
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/racing...ricas-cup.html
and I didn't intend to hijack or duplicate it.
01-03-2011 12:36 PM
sailjunkie Ah yes--Wind. Great photography, but typical Hollywood plot.

When it comes to SF versus Newport, I'm selfish. Airfare for Vancouver to SF is a lot less than Vancouver to Newport.
01-03-2011 12:34 PM
Minnewaska
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Originally Posted by CalypsoP35 View Post
That's exactly what Ellison and Allinghi did in the last cup. We just don't start with the same boat they do. (Yes, I know they had them made specifically for the race.)

The origin of the AC is that I've got this big-ass fast boat, come to my waters and see if you can beat my boat. These were the fastest boats of the day. That is what the last AC was. Like it or not, the last AC was how the AC got started.
Is my understanding incorrect that in the days of the 12 meter ACs, there were some field leveling limits? I don't know this for sure, but it seems those were the glory days of viewership for the race. It seems that the public in general have voted against the current race format, since viewership was way down.
01-03-2011 12:23 PM
CalypsoP35
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Originally Posted by lobstahpotts View Post
This is my point exactly. Someone should be able to take their own boat, something available to them, and upgrade it with the newest technologies to enter the race and not be left in the dust.

Limitations would be a wonderful thing, but the New York court system does not seem to think they are necessary as they keep allowing more and more to happen. Perhaps another amendment to the Deed of Gift needs to be considered now...
That's exactly what Ellison and Allinghi did in the last cup. We just don't start with the same boat they do. (Yes, I know they had them made specifically for the race.)

The origin of the AC is that I've got this big-ass fast boat, come to my waters and see if you can beat my boat. These were the fastest boats of the day. That is what the last AC was. Like it or not, the last AC was how the AC got started.
01-03-2011 11:47 AM
lobstahpotts
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Originally Posted by L124C View Post
Well...I've got a Yankee 30 that goes to weather pretty well. Maybe the St. Francis will sponsor me. I could certainly use some new sails and a bottom job, and I don't even WANT to be on the board!
Seriously, here is a link to the list of challangers on what I think is an interesting site. It offers a digest of the AC news. Certainly more than I fond on the Official AC site!
America's Cup 2013 - Challenger List: Defenders and Challengers - from CupInfo
This is my point exactly. Someone should be able to take their own boat, something available to them, and upgrade it with the newest technologies to enter the race and not be left in the dust.

Limitations would be a wonderful thing, but the New York court system does not seem to think they are necessary as they keep allowing more and more to happen. Perhaps another amendment to the Deed of Gift needs to be considered now...
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