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02-05-2014 09:33 AM
TQA
Re: cockpit enclosure

ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT

The OP asked the Q 3 years ago. I guess he either has given up or got one.
02-05-2014 07:48 AM
Eric S
Re: cockpit enclosure

If you want to make a cockpit enclosure or tent yourself, I found a real keen priced site for buying the appropiate canvas: Esvo Campingshop in Holland.


Esvo has two main suppliers for cockpit canvas: Markilux and Ten Cate.
I think that Markilux / Sunbrella are the best canvas types for your cockpit.
P.S. they also have YouTube-movies how to sew or stitch your canvas.

Information from them:

Markilux is the guarantee for high quality boat canvas or synthetic boat fabric. Markilux is the classic boat canvas trademark on the European maritime market. The one-sided special poly-urethan coating guarantees an extremely high ‘water column’(=waterproof grade). Markilux boat canvas stands for the highest achievable technical characteristics and an exceptional shape retention(= a perfect fit).

Characteristics boat canvas. Markilux.
- absolutely waterproof. Incomparable waterproofness
- weatherresistant, mildew resistant, insectproof
- highest colour fastness. Optimal u.v.-protection
- AAA-shape retention and tensile strength
- Specially treated for dirt-, grease- and oil repellency.

This most sustainable boat canvas is available in a width of 140cm and in various colours.
P.S. If you need ordinary boat convas for covering purposes, we also recommend the boat canvas of Ten Cate. One of boat fabrics is Ten Cate All Season Touring (with different weights). Look further in our range or otherwise
03-09-2011 06:32 AM
christyleigh
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Originally Posted by bljones View Post
Just as an aside, Stan, it looks like you came to a sudden stop and everything in the damn boat ended up in the v-berth!
)
To some it's a "Forward Berth"..... to me on my last 3 boats it's a pure storage area. The first thing I do when I get a boat is take the forward berth cushion home and bury it in the cellar.
03-09-2011 06:27 AM
christyleigh
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Originally Posted by PopeyeGordon View Post
Glad to hear your clear windows are holding up, you must be doing something right. It is common to see that stuff yellowed and scratched. I have read that rolling it up without damage is tricky.
Ya get what ya pay for...... Strataglass is the good stuff. It is much clearer and lasts many years longer than the vinyl crap most factory installed dodgers come with. As the installer that did my full enclosure with Strataglass in an earlier post said - you can scratch that (original on my boat) stuff by walking by it
03-08-2011 04:07 PM
PopeyeGordon Reply to bljones - I also found FarmTek ventilated fabric in silver or white. I think it was suggested for protecting chicken coops. Looked like it would be much more reflective than black. Some looked like woven strands of mylar. Part of the savings I see is with cheaper fabric and a big part is doing it yourself, saving the canvas man fee. I could be happy with something held up with clips and bungies.

In Washington a full enclosure w/dodger would be 8 to 9 K plus 9.4% tax.

Glad to hear your clear windows are holding up, you must be doing something right. It is common to see that stuff yellowed and scratched. I have read that rolling it up without damage is tricky.
03-08-2011 03:21 PM
bljones
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Originally Posted by PopeyeGordon View Post
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By the way, the photos of cockpit enclosures in this thread are nice, but each one likely costs more than the entire purchase price for the boat I can afford.

...For cold protection I will dress warm, isinglass is very expensive, has high windage and has a short useful life...

For side sun protection while maintaining ventilation I plan to try using the solar screen shields popular with RVers and farmers. A company called FarmTek.com is a huge supplier to farmers with low prices, the opposite of premium marine pricing structure.
I just did some research- for 70% shading, you can buy agricultural mesh, available in any colour you want as long as it is black, for about $5/ lin yd. To shade an approx. 7' x7' cockpit on a 30ft' boat you might be looking at $40 in material.

SunBlocker Premium PolyMax Bulk Polyethylene Knitted Shade - 70% - FarmTek

Now, if you went with that really expensive marine material, your cost is $12.50/ lin yards. So, call it $85 in material, available in an assortment of colours.

Phifertex Vinyl Mesh Black X04 54" Fabric - Sold by the Yard

I'm not seeing a huge savings, in the overall scheme of things. In fact, if the phifertex lasts twice as long in a salt intensive marine environment, as I suspect it would, there is no cost savings at all in making your boat look like a failed ginseng farm.

As far as isinglass being very expensive and having a short useful life, the experience of most of us here will likely put that misconception to rest. My dodger is now 7 years old, with the original windows... and if I have to replace it, 20 gauge costs a whopping $5 / lin yard.
03-08-2011 02:58 PM
bljones
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Originally Posted by christyleigh View Post


Just as an aside, Stan, it looks like you came to a sudden stop and everything in the damn boat ended up in the v-berth!
)
03-08-2011 02:12 PM
christyleigh
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Originally Posted by PopeyeGordon View Post
I would like to hear from others who have used solar screens for protection from low angle sun. I imagine a screen that covers one side of the cockpit would be enough, it could be moved depending on which side is getting the glare.
I had some shades made from the same woven vinyl stuff as in the picture that zip onto my bimini, hang down, and are fastened to whatever with shock cords. Sorry no pictures of the shades but they work fairly well and come in 3 densities to vary the amount of light/heat but still let some air into the area shaded.




The ones in the picture came with the boat and also hold windshield type reflectors when total privacy and sun blockage is desired. A local sailmaker did my bimini and shades.
03-08-2011 01:55 PM
CaptainForce
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Originally Posted by copacabana View Post
rdw, you don't mention where you are, but if you're in a tropical climate, be aware that a lot of clear panels can heat up the cockpit pretty quickly. What you want is protection from the sun............. If you're in a colder climate, disregard the above ....
We're pretty much on the "copacabana plan". We used to have a full enclosure, but we found it too cumbersome. We like and need the splash guards that we've made that can also be air scoops if the forward end is clipped to the lifelines. They are shown in this photo with the circle windows:




We'll hang a shade across the aft end when needed for sun or rain. Of course, the front shade comes off the plastic when underway. You may also note that the stainless tubes close to the clear plastic are covered with cloth sleeves. This keep them from heating and burning the clear plastic in the lower latitudes. Take care and joy, Aythya crew
03-08-2011 12:56 PM
PopeyeGordon
Must be nice.....

I plan to buy a used 30 footer if Fla this year. Due to limited sun and heat tolerance I need a Bimini if the boat has none and I want to experiment with solar screen shields to cut sun by half in the cockpit and also forward. I have seen boats with solar screen shields draped across decks loosely. Used Biminis are a ubiquitous item on Craig's List.

By the way, the photos of cockpit enclosures in this thread are nice, but each one likely costs more than the entire purchase price for the boat I can afford.

For cold protection I will dress warm, isinglass is very expensive, has high windage and has a short useful life.

For side sun protection while maintaining ventilation I plan to try using the solar screen shields popular with RVers and farmers. A company called FarmTek.com is a huge supplier to farmers with low prices, the opposite of premium marine pricing structure. The have a huge selection of awning and sun screen fabrics, some are loosely woven reflective mylar. They do custom cut orders of any size with sewn and grommeted finished edging for very reasonable prices. Since the approach with sun screen means the panels do not have to be very strong for wind gusts or rain retention, these panels could be easily improvised from bulk fabric as well. Some of the screening is available with varying degrees of reflectivity, from 10 to 90%.

I would like to hear from others who have used solar screens for protection from low angle sun. I imagine a screen that covers one side of the cockpit would be enough, it could be moved depending on which side is getting the glare.
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