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05-09-2012 08:29 PM
ScuzzMonkey
Re: C&c 37+

Well, the 37+ we had planned to see sold right before we got there. But it was immediately replaced by a 37/40 XL listed by the same broker, so we went to look at that instead.

It's in pretty good shape, appears to have been well-maintained and upgraded along the way. The owner happened to be at the boat when we got there so I got a chance to get a brief history of it from him, and it's basically been a two-owner boat. A fine example of the class. Might have had some oil leaks but the engine hours are a lot lower than most. The only thing that caused me any concern was some water around the base of a thru-hull in the head. Could have come from any number of places, but the thru-hulls on a cored hull are particularly frightening places for a leak, so that would be worth looking at hard in a survey.

Unfortunately, this one is outside our price range at the moment, about $30k more than the rest of them are listed at. Of course, the one we had originally planned to look at up there also started out that high, and came down over the course of the two or more years it was on the market. We don't really want to wait two years to buy, but we don't want to over-pay, either. So, the search continues! Probably heading to California next.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention, I talked extensively with a couple of brokers up there about international transactions. Both had considerable experience with them, had a title company they work with on the US side, and have a system for handling everything. Apparently, you simply have to arrange to take delivery in US waters, typically at Blaine; you only pay the Washington State sales tax that you would normally pay on importing a vessel, no messing with HST at all. The only additional costs are the US title company and the delivery captain, and at least one of the brokers said they typically cover the cost of the delivery (not much anyway, from Vancouver to Blaine).
04-17-2012 12:21 PM
ScuzzMonkey
Re: C&c 37+

Funny! No, the "R" version is a little to austere for my wife. But we are coming up via Amtrak! I will definitely check with djodenda and see what his experience was.

Dogship, thank you, that is good info on the tax stuff. It might be good news; from what I had read about private sales, like off Craigslist, if you were exporting the boat you didn't have to worry about Canadian taxes since the seller wouldn't collect them and you would not be re-registering the vessel up there. The obstacle with brokerage sales was that they had to collect the tax and then there was no way to get a refund the way you used to with the PST/GST.

Of course, that's all just Internet hearsay and could be a load of tripe but my general feeling is if the tax isn't paid as part of the transaction, I am already ahead of the game and can avoid a lot of red tape and bureaucracy.

I'll certainly keep Greg Andrew in mind if we see something we like up there.
04-17-2012 08:06 AM
Dog Ship
Re: C&c 37+

The HST rules changed a bit last summer. One of the changes was that it is now up to the new owner to pay the HST on his own, you used to pay the HST upon purchase to the broker.
A good place to get more info would be Greg Andrew at Van-Isle Marina. They deal with cross-border ownership all the time.
Also, if you can wait, our Provincial Gov. will be doing away with the HST and going back to the old system of PST/GST in 11 months. If that helps.
04-16-2012 11:02 PM
Faster
Re: C&c 37+

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Thanks Faster! I appreciate that.

We're a little uncertain about some of the tax implications about buying in Canada and exporting the boat; I know we'll get hit with state taxes down here either way and possibly a small import fee, but I'm not sure how the whole HST thing works. If you happen to know any brokers up there who have experience with selling to Yanks, I'd be interested in chatting with them.
SNer djodenda bought a CS 36M up here a year or two back, came up by Amtrak and sailed the boat home from here. You might PM him, I'm sure he'd be happy to share the details.

Funny.. there's a 37R down from us on the dock and they were out yesterday raising the main etc at the dock.. seemed like he was showing it to a buyer. I just couldn't approach the guy, a total stranger, and ask "Scuzzmonkey??" But I did wonder if it was you. (not actually even sure the boat's for sale)
04-16-2012 10:04 PM
ScuzzMonkey
Re: C&c 37+

Thanks Faster! I appreciate that.

We're a little uncertain about some of the tax implications about buying in Canada and exporting the boat; I know we'll get hit with state taxes down here either way and possibly a small import fee, but I'm not sure how the whole HST thing works. If you happen to know any brokers up there who have experience with selling to Yanks, I'd be interested in chatting with them.
04-14-2012 11:47 PM
Faster
Re: C&c 37+

Scuzz... if you need help with anything here in Vancouver let me know!
04-14-2012 11:05 PM
ScuzzMonkey
Re: C&c 37+

In case anyone is still following this (Penceler?), we've pretty much ruled out the Seattle 37+. I had the great good fortune to talk to a gentleman who made an offer on her late last year and got all the way through sea trial and survey before bagging it... and a glance at the survey.

In addition to the rigging issues (very expensive--I got estimates from two different riggers, both running conservatively at around $20K), she has some significant engine problems, which is probably no surprise: if it's hard to get the sail out, you're gonna be on the engine all the time, right? Twice as many indicated engine hours as most of the others on the market, and it hadn't been well-maintained... the top of it has been cleaned up and looks all right but I got down and checked the mounts and underside, and it looked worse than the 40 year-old Yanmar we just sold.

So that's both propulsion systems needing a lot of expensive work, and you have to wonder what else wasn't well-maintained if those systems weren't. The pricing is in line with the others on the market, but she hasn't been kept up as well, IMHO, and it would be another $30K over any above what we might spend on any of the others to get her up to the same standard. It sounds like the owner wants to get money out of her that he didn't put in... the broker kept going on about how that was the price they are selling for, but if they're all selling at that price, only a sucker is going to buy the worst of the bunch.

So, the Vancouver one is next on our list. I've heard bad things about her, also: "raced hard and put away wet" was how the guy I talked to put it. He eventually found it cheaper to buy in New York and have one shipped out here. But we're going to be in Vancouver anyway so we'll see.

Otherwise, it looks like a long road trip might be in order... if anyone on the East Coast has checked out any of those, I'd love to hear impressions on which would be most worth our time to fly out and check out.
03-21-2012 10:00 AM
QuickMick
Re: C&c 37+

ive got an 03 99 that is bristol for sale(clean survey last month) and showed a new 115 at the Miami boat show, Id be happy to awnser any questions, just pm me

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03-19-2012 07:03 PM
Penceler
Re: C&c 37+

Good luck and let me know what you find out. I'll keep you posted on the right coast market. I would assume 10k for a new mast + the cost of the new main (which I'm betting you had in the budget anyway). Performance sailors will be performance sailors.....

John
03-19-2012 06:51 PM
ScuzzMonkey
Re: C&c 37+

We're still seriously looking at it. You're absolutely right about the standing rigging. The issue is really the cost of the mast itself. This boat is priced in line with the rest of the market right now; depending on how much a new stick costs, I might still come out ahead buying one of the other boats from out of state and having it shipped here.

That comes with its own set of problems, of course... which is why I am hoping to check out or otherwise get a line on the condition of the one up in Vancouver!
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