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01-14-2007 11:57 PM
Maine Sail
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Originally Posted by camaraderie
Nirvana...it is different in Maine. I sailed LIS for about 15 years and no problem. In Maine...imagine the harbor is a 10x10 room with blue carpet. Now open three family sized bags of M&M's and scatter them randomly on the floor and also in all doorway openings....and of course you can't see the blue M&M's. Now you know what Maine is like!
With all due respect Camraderie it's not that bad! I have over 25,000 nm just sailing Maine alone. These nm's do not count my time commercial fishing which is probably close to 15k nm. While I have snagged a few, here and there, it's a fairly rare occurence. I have only once had to cut a line due to a snag, on my sailboat, which I could not re-tie. This was due to the current and I could not hold on and re-tie so I had to let it go. Many of the lobstermen in Maine have a buoy at either end of a string of traps because so many get cut by careless pleasure boaters (mostly power) and not re-tied. I even know of a few careless and ignorant power boaters who have pissed off just a few to many lobstermen and they took matters into their own hands.

The intentional sinking of a pleasure boat is not as uncommon as one might think here in Maine. The funny thing about it is that the insurance company usually calls it a leaking stuffing box. Sure it just got loose...?? These guys are the last true bad ass cowboys so you don't want to piss them off trust me!

If more pleasure boaters were courteous, and re-tied, there would most likely be 50% less pot buoys (one at either end of a string)..!! As any good sailor knows you need to pay attention to the current, wind and tides. These three things will tell you the lay of the line and which side of the pot to pass. As for the double toggle bouys in Penobscot Bay you need to look for the coresponding toggle to the main buoy, it's easy, and then go around the leeward or down tide/current buoy or cut throught the middle, giving a little favor to the uptide/wind toggle. This is the deepest spot to pass between the main buoy and the toggle but remember the current and drift you don't want to end up on the down tide main buoy!

Last season I logged 2600nm in Maine and snagged only one around my rudder and a quick tack sent it on it's way. Oh and I don't sail one of those full keelers with the attached rudder! I guess here in Maine we are just more used to paying attention to the surroundings what with all the fog, rocks and lobster pots. I actually like it because it keeps the novice boaters away... In Maine cocktail time is at anchor and you need good eyes when sailing. Sure I've sailed in many locals where you can go below and fix a grilled cheese sandwich while on autopilot but you can't do that here in Maine..

As for any buoys that are unmarked they may be only temporary because one was cut off. I used to go into the season with about 20 buoys painted and marked. Some years I would not use them all and some I did. If I used all my back-ups I had to use a generic with my license number in permanent marker until I could paint and engrave more pots. I can't imagine a lobster man spending the thousands of dollars in gear and then not marking them. If you come across an un-marked think to yourself that perhaps this guy has had so many cut this year that he has run out of back up pots... Here in Maine it is legal to place pots/traps where ever the lobster are. I know this is a pain, and it's ridiculous, where some guys will drop them but the law is on their side. If you get caught molesting gear (that's what they refer to it as) you will get a heafty fine and possibly scuttled if you're seen.

So bottom line is pay better attention. If I can sail a fin keeler with spade rudder here so can you...
01-11-2007 12:46 AM
soul searcher

I guess All the running gear on my work boats is just going to desintigrate?
I don't think so. It's all 304L. not bonded does have zincs.
01-10-2007 12:19 PM
camaraderie Nirvana...it is different in Maine. I sailed LIS for about 15 years and no problem. In Maine...imagine the harbor is a 10x10 room with blue carpet. Now open three family sized bags of M&M's and scatter them randomly on the floor and also in all doorway openings....and of course you can't see the blue M&M's. Now you know what Maine is like!
01-10-2007 02:41 AM
S/VNirvana I haven't picked up a pot ever in 30 years of sailing with my P-36; draws 6'. Just keep an eye out for them. When sailing easterly on the LIS we can see the pots in a straight line at 90 degrees M.
01-09-2007 02:23 PM
tayana48cc I spent the past summer in Maine on a 62' sailboat with a 8' winged keel and a 7' spade rudder. After dodging 100,000+ loster pots I would occasionally hang one. I found that doing a 180 degree turn would usually shake loose the trap. The only ones that caused the problems where the toggled traps, the ones with two buoys seperated by 20' or so of line. A line cutter on the prop shaft also came in handy for the ones that where submerged and I didn't see to dodge. The single buoys would normally be pushed aside by the bow wake and not cause any problems.
01-09-2007 01:06 AM
pigslo Years ago I had a fisherman shaking his fist and cussing at me from a big hotel dock in Galveston that I should not be so close. I was at least far enough I could barley hear him. He ran over to his rig and gave a sharp pull and hooked the bottom of my boat. If he had let his hook sit on the bottom we would have passed right over it. He went to reeling and pulling like a mad-man. I guess he did not have 17,000 lb test line.
pigslo
01-07-2007 11:29 PM
JouvertSpirit I think that crabbers that put out these traps so dense to make it almost nearly impossible to navigate a channel without running over one (especially at night) deserve to have them chewed up. I'm speaking from a previous life of the 12V71 twin world and not the sailboat world though right now. Actually the real problem is that they put these traps in likely to be sailed areas (channel or not) in the bays and expect everyone to just automatically avoid them.

I've had the same problem with long line fishermen and hooking the long line on my anchor and dragging it up while charter fishing.

I've wrapped up my share of them.
12-05-2006 07:50 PM
Shack
Wow!! Long Thread.

This has been a long thread! I have been away for over a month and we're still taking about pots.

My dog jumped overboard one day (pissed me off) and started heading for a bunch of pots. I guess he's a crabber at heart. He's only 3 and this was his first time he was on our boat in that area. By the time I turned the boat around (in the channel) to get him, he had test bitten at least three pots and was paddling for a fourth.

Cold wet dog for the rest of the sail. He was happy though.

Now everytime we go by those pots he gets all excited and I have to leash him to the cockpit.

. . .Lab . . . go figure.
12-02-2006 10:30 AM
sailingdog wildcard-

I seriously doubt that 30 buoys were all dragged a uniform distance into a channel. Also, the legal requirements, at least in Massachusetts, where the number has to be engraved into the buoy IIRC, makes it very unlikely that I missed it... the buoy I recovered appeared brand new or very close to being such...and had no markings, other than the manufacturer's anywhere on it...
12-01-2006 09:55 PM
wildcard I find some peoples attitude about legal fishing very disturbing. It is seldom that bouys or bags are not marked, your just not looking in the right place or it may be grown over. Pots left in the middle of the channel may very well have been drug there by the last boat to come through. I don't know about right coasters but on the left coast Ca to AK we have to have an escape device on every pot. If it is lost, the pot opens up and releases most if not all of the catch alive and will not continue to kill as the illinformed and antis would like you to believe....And yes, shots have been fired.
I don't comm fish any longer but as long as the fishery is legal you should respect it and not cripple honest hard working people that feed this country.
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