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03-21-2011 02:54 PM
jackdale I used Google News

ing pirates - Google News

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Bosasso (RBC) Sources close to the elders of the Somali pirates holding the Danish hostages from the sailing yacht SY ING reported today that the present negotiations between a Danish delegation in Bosasso and the hostage takers are bound to fail, the ECOTERRA International group says.
A Danish negotiation team in Bosasso port town are now holding contacts with the pirates and dealing with them for the release of the hostages.
According to three separate sources the fact that the Danish delegation operates from Bosasso in close co-operation with the Puntland government, while the armed forces of that administration had already once attacked the gang unsuccessfully and despite the botched attempt and international as well as local warnings again threatened to attack the hostage takers and their supporters with armed forces, makes it impossible for the hostage takers to trust the Danish negotiation team.
Danish Foreign Ministry also spoke to some hostages, but could so far not achieve their release.
RBC Radio learns that the pirates holding the Danish family demanded huge amount of ransom for their release which the negotiators said much more than as expected.
Puntland officials said that they are dealing with the condition after several tradition elders from Bari region were sent to the area as part of the negotiation.
The Danish family consisting of Jan Quist Johansen, his wife, their three children, and two other adults were taken hostage on 24 February. An attempt to rescue them which launched by forces from the Somalia’s semi-autonomous region of Puntland failed two weeks ago.
The pirates also warned that the Danish family will be killed if any other attack tried.
The hostages who are reportedly to be safe are kept in small village named ‘Hul-Anod’ which locates near Bandar-beyla district of the east coast of the Indian Ocean in the Somalia’s Bari region.
Somalia: Negotiations to release Danish hostages in Somalia nearly to fail, sources say | RBC Radio
03-21-2011 02:49 PM
LandLocked66c Has anyone heard any updates? I've googled and all I can find are the old articles?
03-04-2011 01:47 PM
kpgraci Question: These attack have occurred hundreds of miles of the coast, 600mi in the latest incident I believe. So the pirates are operating out of a larger base ship? - probably a stolen commercial vessel? If that's the case then it should be an easy matter of finding and sinking them....no?

It's one thing if you're making hit and run attacks in a high speed skiff with the safety of the coast to run to, but if your in a giant stolen freighter flying a flag that's not yours - how hard is it to find, board, and check that all is in order?

There's a big difference between a rouge coast you should avoid and piracy on the high seas. What seems to be the problem here?
03-03-2011 11:33 AM
svHyLyte One solution to the problem of private yachts wanting to transit the area is a flotilla/convoy coupled with Naval Guards, Gulf of Aden Anti Piracy Security Services . It seems to have worked before.

FWIW...
03-03-2011 11:11 AM
MarkofSeaLife [QUOTE=Argyle38;704143]
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Originally Posted by kpgraci View Post

Convoys can also be used to maintain protection from a single warship. ...If a cruising group could get 100 or so boats to travel in convoy, it might be economical (politically or $ wise) .
Navy ships won't escort convoys because they have told yachts not to go through. So they can't then break their rules.
Also there are not enough navy ships to run convoys from the bottom of India and thats where the piracy is this year - the North Indian Ocean - not the Gulf of Aden so much.

Today the Dutch yacht Capricorn was captured (3 yachts in 2 weeks!) but were rescued by their surveyling security boat. This probably was more than a 'normal' cruising yacht and probably a 'super' yacht. (I put super in '' and my Bene 39 is more super! )

When we were in Oman there was one old tub of an ex-patrol boat manned by UK mercenaries. I had a good chat to them, but they were far out of our reach and were escorting tugs towing barges.
Certainly there would be money to be made, but at best there was only 100 boats going up that way last year, fewer this year and only geese with rocks in their heads next year. So it wouldn't pay. And that doesnt cover the idea of picking up the escort far south in the north Indian ocean... thats another 1,000+nms.

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The problem is how do you tell some fishermen wanting to trade fish for cigarettes or booze, from pirates?
Our first approach by a skiff could have being doing that, but they could have been assessing our convoy for weaknesses.
They pulled right up to my boat and then actually stopped another boat before me and a NZ'er in a 75 foot steel boat tried to run the skiff down. That made the skiff skedaddle
After that incident some lame-brain in the convoy suggested I should have handed out cigarettes (to kill them slowly perhaps?). I wonder if he would make the same suggestion now?


My website has the fun and fravolity of our transit with potos
However I didn't fully go into the detail of the passage from the bottom of India to Oman. That was by ourselves and we knew the Somali's were going further and further towards India. We were on alert from half way and diverted up 200nms off the rumbline to miss an area that had 3 attacks in the previous few months.


Mark
03-03-2011 09:47 AM
sailingdog Well, it depends... some prey animals flee, others fight... if the convoy is armed, that changes things....but carrying weapons can be a big problem otherwise.
03-02-2011 11:56 PM
Omatako Most of the primary predators in Africa have as their favourite food source a herd of whatever they're hunting. Why?

Well, the herd has only one thing on their mind when the predator attacks - flight. Leaving the animal under attack to take the heat while they get the flock out of there.

Thirty yachts in a flotilla, a pirate vessel decides which one he wants (same as the lion does) and then attacks it, bristling with rocket launchers, grenades and automatic weapons. How many yachts in the flotilla are going to come to their rescue?

If you believe any of them will, then go flotilla sailing. Me?

I'd go to the Cape while the rest of the flotilla (like the animals in the herd) shout warnings at each other over their VHF's and head as fast as possible in the opposite direction.

OK I am a born skeptic. Sorry.
03-02-2011 12:36 PM
ftldiver The problem is how do you tell some fishermen wanting to trade fish for cigarettes or booze, from pirates?

and as far as I know, there is no navy for rent.

but Blackwater, er Xe, might be willing for a price.


There is one thing I would do, if I choose to arm myself. put a laser on the weapon.

Everyone knows a laser dot means a gun is pointed at them... that could be an effective weapon, short of shooting into the air.

-in the previous photo, I'd have shot a warning shot.. into the air... just so everyone knows I meant business.
03-02-2011 12:24 PM
LandLocked66c Wow! These people are FOOLS!

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The Johansen family was aware of the pirate threat in the waters off East Africa, but believed that warships patrolling the waters would protect them, according to entries on their travel blog.
03-02-2011 11:48 AM
Argyle38 [quote=kpgraci;704124]
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Originally Posted by MarkofSeaLife View Post
A convoy is NOT going to make you safe!/QUOTE]

wow. Great photo and a great point. I can only add that warships travel in a convoy for safety but the reason this works for them is they have tactics and fire power that each ship can bring to bear on a would be attacker.

In that photo, if each boat had a competent marksman and the approaching boat knew there was a no go zone around each craft or he will be fired upon then that may be construed as safety in numbers.

Wolves don't mind attacking a flock of sheep, that's called a target rich environment.

I think most sailors don't sail for the thrill of combat. Stay out of dangerous waters unless you have something better than a 'piracy plan', whatever the heck that is.
Convoys can also be used to maintain protection from a single warship. A single frigate, corvette (don't think we build those anymore), or CG cutter would have plenty of firepower to deter a pirate attack. If a cruising group could get 100 or so boats to travel in convoy, it might be economical (politically or $ wise) to use a single small warship for escort through the area. All it would take would is some organization and maybe some money from the cruisers to make that happen. I know I'd pony up a grand or so to transit the area safely.

Frankly, I don't know why this isn't already happening.
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