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03-05-2011 02:21 PM
HeartsContent My how America has changed, we now live fully in fear of our government and pray that they do not come over and take our rights. We appease them with concessions just to hang onto a mere morsel and continually give ground to the corporation of American states.

A few bad apples in derelict barges ruining it for the rest of us? It's not an acceptable argument nor is it relevant to the open and free use of navigable waters.

The pollution argument exceeds stupid as cruisers could not hope to even become noticeable in comparison to the dumping of raw sewage "your government" and "corporations" combined with chemicals and fertilizers needed to grow grass, that doesn't grow naturally in Florida. directly into the waters.

The challenge here is that decent people actually care about the environment and take a step back when confronted with this argument as they care. The government and corporations see the environment as a tax angle to redirect monies to themselves and corporations. So be completely clear, that the government is fine with anchoring or any practice as long as they can tax it - it's really that simple.

I would suggest working with your local Tea Party to learn how to be effective in protecting your freedoms, these ordinary citizens have put some fear in the government (which I didn't think could be done). No matter what your political persuasion, freedom is a common bond for all of us and less government means less idiots trying to steal our freedoms. I think we can all agree to that.
03-05-2011 01:32 PM
therapy23
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And that my friends I think is the KEY... we have been cruising here in FL now and all up and down the east coast and never had the kind of problems some folks are reporting. Key you vessel looking good and like it is 'in navigation' I my guess is you will have few problems.

After all while there are things about cruising down here in FL that are not so cruiser friendly there are more than a few things that make it worth the trip. JMHO
Ergzaktly.
03-05-2011 08:22 AM
svsirius
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But your boat is obviously a well kept, well maintained boat, not a floating near derelict, as I know, since I had the luck to meet your better half back last spring while in St. Augustine, and saw your boat. The local LEOs have little reason to board or inspect your boat.
And that my friends I think is the KEY... we have been cruising here in FL now and all up and down the east coast and never had the kind of problems some folks are reporting. Key you vessel looking good and like it is 'in navigation' I my guess is you will have few problems.

After all while there are things about cruising down here in FL that are not so cruiser friendly there are more than a few things that make it worth the trip. JMHO
03-03-2011 05:27 PM
sailingdog But your boat is obviously a well kept, well maintained boat, not a floating near derelict, as I know, since I had the luck to meet your better half back last spring while in St. Augustine, and saw your boat. The local LEOs have little reason to board or inspect your boat.

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'just one positive note. We are currently cruising north on the central east Florida coast. We have been cruising Florida waters since 1972 and frequently anchoring. At this time we have still never been approached or questioned by any authority about our anchoring practices. We will be anchoring in the Melbourne area tomorrow and at Titusville the following day, then on to New Smyrna, Daytona and Saint Augustine. We do often take a marina day in New Smyrna and the mooring field in St. Augustine. We will also anchor out at Pine Island and Blount Island before taking a couple days at the free dock at the Jacksonville Landing. We Cruise! We have not spent more than three months at any one anchorage in Florida. Are we lucky? Is the enforcement selective? I don't know, but the fact is we have NEVER been approached or questioned about our anchoring practices in Florida. Take care and joy, Aythya crew
03-03-2011 05:13 PM
CaptainForce 'just one positive note. We are currently cruising north on the central east Florida coast. We have been cruising Florida waters since 1972 and frequently anchoring. At this time we have still never been approached or questioned by any authority about our anchoring practices. We will be anchoring in the Melbourne area tomorrow and at Titusville the following day, then on to New Smyrna, Daytona and Saint Augustine. We do often take a marina day in New Smyrna and the mooring field in St. Augustine. We will also anchor out at Pine Island and Blount Island before taking a couple days at the free dock at the Jacksonville Landing. We Cruise! We have not spent more than three months at any one anchorage in Florida. Are we lucky? Is the enforcement selective? I don't know, but the fact is we have NEVER been approached or questioned about our anchoring practices in Florida. Take care and joy, Aythya crew
03-03-2011 04:51 PM
LauderBoy
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If the existing laws were enforced properly, there would be little need for doing what Florida is doing. I'd point out that the "buffer zones" may well be found illegal as violating the rights of vessels in transit to anchor.
I don't really know what existing laws can be used to solve the problem. Used to be each city had their own laws to solve the issue, which itself was a problem. Now the state has taken over and told the cities "You can't restrict anchoring, we own the water, we'll study the issue" which IMO is the proper thing to do.

I think the idea of allowing cities to setup mooring fields to "restrict" anchoring is a decent concept, if it's done properly. This creates revenue for the city, facilities for people using the site, can be good for tourism and eliminates the "junkyard" effect. So instead of a city posting "you can't anchor here", it forces them to develop the waterway as defined by the state for "proper" use by boaters.

But I worry that the mooring pricing will end up being absurd at some point and people passing through shouldn't be forced into using them by absurd buffer zones.
03-03-2011 08:39 AM
night0wl
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capt force up here in maine we also have bum boats, derilects, abandoned boats etc,the water cops are out there doing the work, and not insulting voyagers no mater what there boat looks like .there only concern is safety of the vessel, seaworthynness& illegal discharge of waste.
Quoted for TRUTH!

The anchoring regulations are a way for cities to get out of their JOB of enforcing regulations. If there is a blanket ban, then its easy to simply say YOU CANT ANCHOR HERE with a sign vs having to have safe, courteous waterways personnel patrolling at night looking for anchor lights and during the day conducting MSD checks.

The flip side is what is going on in Volusia where they're using raiding party tactics to board cruisers for MSD enforcement.
03-03-2011 08:34 AM
sailingdog If the existing laws were enforced properly, there would be little need for doing what Florida is doing. I'd point out that the "buffer zones" may well be found illegal as violating the rights of vessels in transit to anchor.
03-03-2011 08:27 AM
norsearayder capt force up here in maine we also have bum boats, derilects, abandoned boats etc,the water cops are out there doing the work, and not insulting voyagers no mater what there boat looks like .there only concern is safety of the vessel, seaworthynness& illegal discharge of waste.
03-03-2011 08:10 AM
ftldiver Capt Force got it right.

in the keys most blue collar workers can't afford to live there, so many buy a cheap boat and live aboard. some are responsible, but many are not.

Efforts to remove them have not been successful so they are trying something else.

pretty much a few bad apples is spoiling it for everyone else.

I can understand why property owners and cities are upset. abandoned vessels are expensive to remove.

There has also been talks of requiring anchor permits in biscayne park...

-sorry, tourism from boaters is not a big revenue source...
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