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04-30-2011 08:51 AM
DonScribner Scraph,

Light winds, mostly southerlies. But, we have a saying up hee-ah. "If you don't like Maine weather, wait a minute." If your moored in Portsmouth, that's actually in New Hampshire. Take a look at your charts and you'll see miles and miles of fairly smooth coastline north to Portland. Past Portland is Casco Bay and the Calendar Islands. An unofficial name to say that there's one for every day of the year. It might make for more interesting sailing. A little further north and mid Maine comes into view. Never sailed there but it looks like fun. Just keep in mind, you can move to a town but no matter how long you live there, your KIDS will still be "from away."

Don

Biddeford, Maine
03-23-2011 03:13 PM
capecodda Summer coastal cruising in Maine means mostly light winds. I'm not usually there for the shoulder seasons (others could give you better advice), July/August will be about bigger sails IMHO.
03-23-2011 12:23 PM
norsearayder i sometimes run a 110 in the spring and fall and a130 or 150 in the lighter summer winds the previous owner who ran out of buzzards bay never used anything but the 110....will get the spin up on long offshore runs with wheelpilot its kewll
03-23-2011 11:58 AM
scraph Haha. I hear that. I don't think changing sails is all that big of a hassle ... there's something satisfying about it anyways Thanks for the info.
03-23-2011 07:20 AM
catamount
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Originally Posted by scraph View Post
will a strong 100% working jib do much for me in coastal cruising around Maine? What are coastal sailing conditions like up there?
Most of the time in the summer, your 130 on the furler will be the right sail, but there are times, especially in the fall, when you will find a 100% to be the right sail. In the spring and fall the air is colder and denser, and therefore packs more power for a given windspeed.

At least I think that a 100% jib would be a worthwhile investment. But perhaps the real question is whether you are (a) one who hoists a sail on your furler when the boat is launched and leave it up all season, taking it down only at haul out, or (b) one who takes your furled sail down and stows it below whenever you don't expect to use the boat for a couple of days. Since you have a racing 150 as well as the cruising 130, it sounds like you might be the latter, in which case having another sail in your inventory makes sense -- you might actually use it. But if your are the former, are you likely to ever go through the hassle of changing sails?
03-22-2011 11:55 PM
scraph It's no problem. Food for thought is always safer said than not.

The distinction between offshore and cruising was the reason for my question ... just looking for any overlap I might be able to find between the two. I'm certainly willing to delay the trip for a gale but would prefer to keep moving on a front ... or afternoon storms. I guess direct questions would serve me better so that is my fault ... will a strong 100% working jib do much for me in coastal cruising around Maine? What are coastal sailing conditions like up there?
03-22-2011 11:31 PM
fallard Wow, I suppose I was a bit presumptuous, but the casual reference to "in a pinch" and "storm sail" threw me off.

I've sailed in Maine and all along coastal southeastern New England on my 35' masthead sloop. I have several genoas (including a laminate) and mains of different weight. It would appear that your current sail inventory is appropriate for weekend cruising in New England. I would clearly separate coastal sailing from offshore sailing, however, and--perhaps incorrectly--assumed you were not making that distinction.

When I made my delivery trip to New England, I went offshore for almost half of the 1700 mile trip and carried a set of real storm sails made for my boat. I also had an extra set of stays (inner forestay and running back stays) attached by my second set of spreaders to handle the extra loads.

It appeared that you might not have considered the potential for a dismasting due to sail loads in storm conditions. I misinterpreted this omission as an indicator that you might need to consider other factors than the headsail. Obviously that was a real stretch on my part. I should have stayed off the soap box.
03-22-2011 09:49 PM
scraph I appreciate your advice. My ponderings are specific to sail selection. I am no stranger to offshore survival, safety, and outfitting (small sailboats aren't the only way we find ourselves on/under the ocean...). My question here is specifically to get opinions on sail selection that would serve me during the voyage (which I have a good idea of) which I could also find use for during weekend cruising in Maine ... finding use for it in this specific area of the world after the voyage being the entire point of my question. No offense but ... I'm not asking for a crashcourse in making my boat seaworthy ... I am more than capable of that. The sail inventory "overlap" is what I'm asking about.
03-22-2011 09:22 PM
fallard There are only a handful of all-weather inlets along the Atlantic coast, so you need to be as careful about planning your trip as you are about selecting sails. You can still get caught with high winds on the inside route on the larger sounds in NC and the Chesapeake (if you go that way, via the C&D Canal and down Delaware Bay to the Cape May Canal), but you will have more options to seek safe harbor.

If you intend to go offshore for extended periods, you'll need to do more than select sails. You will need to consider inflatable PFDs with harness, jack lines, an EPIRB (which you can rent from BoatUS) and a life raft. There are also a lot of things you need to secure below and you also need to assure that you keep sea water out of your fuel and water tank vents.

Your best bet is to wait out questionable weather and not try to stick to a predetermined schedule. There's a lot to see and appreciate along the way, so it won't be lost time if you plan accordingly.

That said, I brought my own boat up from the west coast of Florida to Connecticut and practiced what I just preached. The worst weather we encountered was unexpected winds in the 38 kt range in the Chesapeake. We were able to duck into a harbor of refuge within a couple of hours.

Based on your original question, it sounds like you might want to recruit a crew member or two with appropriate experience if you go offshore.
03-22-2011 07:03 AM
catamount More questions: so it sounds like you are not planning a continuous offshore voyage from SC to ME, but will be stopping off at ports along the way (where you can wait out bad weather). Will you be staying inside in the ICW, Chesapeake Bay, Delaware Bay, Long Island Sound, or will you be making hops outside?

On to the sails, roller furling is good. One thing you could do, if you don't have it already, is to have a foam pad (or rope pad) added to the luff of your 130 -- these are supposed to help maintain some sense of shape when the sail is partially rolled up (by taking up more of the belly of the sail as it rolls).

Secondly, look for an ATN Gale Sail -- you may be able to find one second-hand -- these attach around your rolled-up genoa on the headstay. Once you get to Portsmouth, you could then sell the Gale Sail (e.g. through SailNet and other sailing forum classified ads). This would give you a small heavy weather sail without requiring any special modifications to your boat.

Third, a jib in the 100 to 110% range would probably be a great addition to your inventory. You could save money by looking for a used sail that would fit (try Bacon Sails & Marine Supplies ), and just sheet to snatch blocks on your toerail (your track doesn't seem like it goes far enough forward). For this starter sail you wouldn't necessarily need a sun cover or luff pad - just get something of appropriate weight and size that will fit on your furler. This would give you a chance to try a sail in this size range, and if you decide you like it, then you could talk to a sailmaker about a custom-fit new sail, and the sailmaker would be able to advise you about sheeting options and what would fit your track, etc...

Since you'll be ending up in the Portsmouth/Kittery area, check out the Piscataqua Sailing Association: www.sailpsa.org

They also have a crew wanted spot on their website where you could advertise for crew for your delivery.

You might also try Points East Magazine crew wanted site: Points East, the New England Cruising Magazine

FWIW, there is a North Sails loft in Greenland, NH

Good Luck!
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