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03-23-2011 10:19 AM
sea_hunter This is the problem with mixing batteries. Some AGMs can handle equalization while others will just run away; all bad. I would suggest removing the connections to the ones that CAN be equalized (make sure the other batteries are fully charged) and equalize them with a separate battery charger as that will allow you to leave the settings alone on your charger or inverter/charger if you have one. Once equalized, disconnect the external battery charger and reconnect those batteries. This is why I caution most not to equalize any AGM until you read your manufacturers manuals, considering the average boater's electrical/electronic skills.
02-06-2011 01:04 PM
divicolouis Thanks, I talked to a tech at lifeline and he said its ok to condition in the salon just ventilate well in case there is a release of hydrogen it becomes dangerous at only 4%! I'll wait till the weather warms up and I have to do some glass work on the companion way coaming.
01-25-2011 07:02 AM
Maine Sail
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Originally Posted by sea_hunter View Post
WARNING: Do not equalize gel or AGM batteries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one of two things might happen; screw the batteries (burn out) or screw the boat (burn up). Read your battery manual 1st.

Please read the entire thread before posting!

SOME AGM batteries CAN be equalized and considering the short lives this type of battery has had in the marine market many Lifeline owners are darn happy Lifeline designed their batteries to withstand an equalizing or conditioning charge..


I will post this again:

Before you make factually worded statements like you did above, you should ideally freshen up your knowledge on the subject before posting.

Considering this thread was originally, back in 2006, about Lifeline & Deka/East Penn batteries, and Lifeline says equalizing is okay to do if the batteries are showing diminished capacity, and Deka says no then your broad based statement above is an unreliable choice of presented information. In a worst case scenario it might cause someone with Lifelines to buy new batteries pre-maturely, which could be an expensive mistake, before trying and equalizing / conditioning charge.

This is a DIRECT quote from Lifeline:


"Conditioning/Equalizing Charge: 15.5 volts for 8 hours. Conditioning/equalizing should only be done when the battery is showing symptoms of capacity loss. If conditioning/equalizing is necessary, first go through the normal charge cycle. Once the battery is as fully charged as possible, start the conditioning/equalizing charge.

To apply a conditioning charge, first go through the normal charge cycle to bring the battery to full charge. The conditioning charge should then be applied by charging for 8 hours. At 77°F (25°C), the conditioning voltage should be set at 2.58 VPC (15.5 volts for a 12 volt battery). The conditioning voltage at other temperatures is shown in Table 5-2. By using the temperature compensated conditioning voltage, batteries that are not in controlled temperature environments may be conditioned without bringing them to room temperature. If temperature compensation is not available, it is best to bring the battery as close to room temperature as possible before applying the conditioning charge.

For maximum battery life, a battery must be recharged to 100% capacity. Recharging to less than 100% may result in premature battery failure. Lifeline batteries are not covered under warranty if they are not recharged properly. For more information, please refer to our warranty policy."


A more accurate statement would have been to say that some manufacturers say it is okay to equalize AGM's and some or many others prefer that you don't. As always and as you said at the end read the manual or check with your manufacturer before equalizing AGM batteries. But some AGM's CAN be equalized!


Because each manufacturer has specific requirements for their own AGM's a blanket statement can not be made for all AGM batteries. Here is Trojan's statement on equalizing AGM's.


Direct quote from Trojan Battery:

WARNING: Do not equalize gel or AGM batteries.


If you had left your statement as "Read your battery manual 1st" it would have been accurate information. Clearly blanket statements do not always work as applied to all brands of AGM batteries and seeing as Lifeline is perhaps the #1 AGM maker in terms of marine market volume, here in the US, that means that a LOT of boaters can equalize their AGM's....
01-24-2011 10:15 PM
sea_hunter WARNING: Do not equalize gel or AGM batteries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one of two things might happen; screw the batteries (burn out) or screw the boat (burn up). Read your battery manual 1st.
12-23-2010 11:33 PM
divicolouis Maine Sail
I have 2 Lifeline 8D's AGM's under my salon settee which I believe need to be "conditioned" Would you recommend removing them from the boat before conditioning (they are 160lbs ea)
12-18-2010 02:36 PM
hellosailor "As AGMs are "sealed" they should not be subjected to the "equalizing" conditions."
As Maine says, Lifeline is BUILT TO BE EQUALIZED. East Penn IS NOT. Saying all AGM batteries are the same, or should be treaeted the same, is like saying it's OK to drink the orange Windex because it looks just like Fanta and Nehi.

Could be they are different products under that pretty box, huh? For the price LifeLine charges, they can afford to build a stronger case that can take the strains of equalizing. Maybe it is better, maybe it is not, but it definitely is not the same product.
12-18-2010 01:03 PM
Maine Sail
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbackiel View Post
As AGMs are "sealed" they should not be subjected to the "equalizing" conditions. Flooded lead acid can take the overcharging conditions that the equalizing subjects them to as they can vent. The AGMs venting are safety valves. Lead acid batteries should be equalized as the plates will build up scale and this reduces capacity. The AGM while "starved" is a lead acid but cannot be equalized. I have had AGMs and now use gel which because of a different electrolyte are so slow to sulfate that you don't even have to think about it.

Before you make factually worded statements like you did above, you should ideally freshen up your knowledge on the subject before posting.

Considering this thread was originally, back in 2006, about Lifeline & Deka/East Penn batteries, and Lifeline says equalizing is okay to do if the batteries are showing diminished capacity, and Deka says no then your broad based statement above is an unreliable choice of presented information. In a worst case scenario it might cause someone with Lifelines to buy new batteries pre-maturely, which could be an expensive mistake, before trying and equalizing / conditioning charge.

This is a DIRECT quote from Lifeline:


"Conditioning/Equalizing Charge: 15.5 volts for 8 hours
Conditioning/equalizing should only be done when the battery is showing symptoms of capacity loss. If conditioning/equalizing is necessary, first go through the normal charge cycle. Once the battery is as fully charged as possible, start the conditioning/equalizing charge.

To apply a conditioning charge, first go through the normal charge cycle to bring the battery to full charge. The conditioning charge should then be applied by charging for 8 hours. At 77°F (25°C), the conditioning voltage should be set at 2.58 VPC (15.5 volts for a 12 volt battery). The conditioning voltage at other temperatures is shown in Table 5-2. By using the temperature compensated conditioning voltage, batteries that are not in controlled temperature environments may be conditioned without bringing them to room temperature. If temperature compensation is not available, it is best to bring the battery as close to room temperature as possible before applying the conditioning charge.

For maximum battery life, a battery must be recharged to 100% capacity. Recharging to less than 100% may result in premature battery failure. Lifeline batteries are not covered under warranty if they are not recharged properly. For more information, please refer to our warranty policy."


A more accurate statement would have been to say that some manufacturers say it is okay to equalize AGM's and some or many others prefer that you don't. As always read the manual or check with your manufacturer before equalizing AGM batteries.


Because each manufacturer has specific requirements for their own AGM's a blanket statement can not be made. Here is Trojan's statement on equalizing AGM's.


Direct quote from Trojan Battery:

WARNING: Do not equalize gel or AGM batteries.
12-18-2010 11:49 AM
dbackiel
Ip32120

As AGMs are "sealed" they should not be subjected to the "equalizing" conditions. Flooded lead acid can take the overcharging conditions that the equalizing subjects them to as they can vent. The AGMs venting are safety valves. Lead acid batteries should be equalized as the plates will build up scale and this reduces capacity. The AGM while "starved" is a lead acid but cannot be equalized. I have had AGMs and now use gel which because of a different electrolyte are so slow to sulfate that you don't even have to think about it.
10-08-2009 08:11 AM
CKS
AGM's

Hi,
that's the article I read. I've decided to add another 100 watts of solar power to the 80 I alreadty have and replace the batteries; that should keep the problems away. I'll do all that next spring.
10-07-2009 07:47 PM
doubleeboy I know this is an old thread. But it appears AGMs are still around <g. Interesting article from a few years back can be read here regarding AGMs. Someone else in this thread referred to it, but there was no link.

http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/docs/AGM%20article.pdf

cheers
michael
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