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04-12-2011 10:25 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
Ted Brewer has a lot of aluminum and steel boats in his portfolio.

Ted Brewer Yacht Design
a fine designer and a gentleman to boot ..
04-12-2011 08:59 PM
mitiempo Ted Brewer has a lot of aluminum and steel boats in his portfolio.

Ted Brewer Yacht Design
04-12-2011 07:51 PM
puddinlegs
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Originally Posted by PeterSailer View Post
So the interior of the keel can't rust at all?

I don't really like aluminium, it's harder to work with and can have pretty serious problems with electrolysis...

I just send a e-mail to Robert H perry, but i'm not sure he designs steel sailboat. Anyways I asked him a few question and i'm waiting on a response.

Thanks guys
Many commercial and custom yacht manufactures have a long history of fabricating with aluminum. Bob Perry has designed steel boats. A friend owned one, but much larger than you're thinking of having commissioned.
04-12-2011 05:23 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
The only time I've ever seen ballast put in a steel yacht, lead ingots were melted into the hollow keel casing with a oxy-torch - but I was too young to notice what went over the top. Concrete maybe?

For the record, Joe Adams has designed a few steel cruising yachts in his time - but he's over here, so I'm guessing that's no use to you.

Good luck!
Cameron, G'day to you.

JA is long retired and as far as I am aware there is no one actively marketing his designs but his one time associate Graeme Radford is still active.
04-12-2011 02:17 AM
Classic30
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So the interior of the keel can't rust at all?

It's welded over so you can't see it rusting.
The only time I've ever seen ballast put in a steel yacht, lead ingots were melted into the hollow keel casing with a oxy-torch - but I was too young to notice what went over the top. Concrete maybe?

For the record, Joe Adams has designed a few steel cruising yachts in his time - but he's over here, so I'm guessing that's no use to you.

Good luck!
04-11-2011 10:31 PM
blt2ski Do not quote me, I have not looked in awhile, but I believe Glen-L design in Ca has some steel sail and motor boats with in the 1000 or so plans they have. ALong with another NA's designs when he retired....Hanken? He also used to draw for GL before going on his own. Probably why GL was able to buy/get the plans.

marty
04-11-2011 10:14 PM
tdw Brian,
Coudln't agree more. When I said second hand for less money I should have said second hand plastic ... I honestly don't understand why anyone does anything else .. unless money is no object.
04-11-2011 09:50 PM
mitiempo Of all the materials available my first choice (for a one-off) would be aluminum. Electrolysis doesn't have to be a problem. The French love their aluminum boats, the most popular here being the Ovni. It doesn't even need paint above the waterline. When you compare a professionally built steel boat with a very expensive paint job (which it needs) to the same boat in aluminum unpainted the cost can be close. If you choose steel - which still can have electrolysis issues - it also has a paint/rust problem from the first chip of the finish until the day it sinks.

My second choice for a one-off would be modern wood/epoxy.

The problem with the dollars and cents of this is that there are so many good fiberglass boats available at good prices that unless you have the money and want something very unique it really makes no sense. It can if you are going to build your own. But even then you will spend much more than if you purchased a used fiberglass boat and spent whatever it takes to bring it to your liking. Much more.
04-11-2011 09:30 PM
paulk
Well...

So the interior of the keel can't rust at all?

It's welded over so you can't see it rusting.

I don't really like aluminium, it's harder to work with and can have pretty serious problems with electrolysis...

But you like sandblasting and painting continuously to keep rust in check. Aluminum has its issues, but it IS lighter, if you're absolutely set on a metallic hull.


I just send a e-mail to Robert H perry, but i'm not sure he designs steel sailboat. Anyways I asked him a few question and i'm waiting on a response.

The sad loss of his son may slow his response.

Dudley Dix has an extensive array of designs in many materials. Woodenboat did a nice article some years ago on a 36' boat he built in his back yard (constant camber, I think). Many of his boats routinely race from Capetown to Rio, so they tend to be good-performing, and have to be well thought out structurally to take the conditions they encounter.

Thanks guys

Bon vent!
04-11-2011 06:58 PM
tdw PaulK .. Yves Marie Tanton .. that was the fellow whose name I could not remember.

Hmmm .. probably not a great time to be picking BP's brain. I doubt however that he is going to be all that enthusiastic about designing a full keel 30' steeler. I guess you never know until you ask. BP is a great designer of cruising sailboats no doubt.

PeterS .. Van De Stadt 34. Van de Stadt Design - Van de Stadt 34

Low Freeboard. Tick, I can understand that and the VDS has it.

Coachroof stops forward of the mast but not that far forward. I don't understand your wish for a cabin trunk thats stops at mast, particularly when combined with low freeboard and a relatively small boat. Your forward cabin will be useless for anything but a sail bin.

VDS34 does not have a skeg, she is fin keeled as well. Personally I believe this need to have a skeg hung rudder is without foundation provided the rudder is well engineered. Lack of a skeg is no longer a deal breaker for me.

Now an aluminium vds34 would make a fine little cruiser. To my mind a bit small for long term cruising if you are over 50 or so, but for a young couple, nice. You could still buy secondhand for less money, less work and at the cost of only a few compromises.
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