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04-28-2013 11:28 AM
CaptainForce
Re: How old is too old II: Design

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Originally Posted by copacabana View Post
.................... Another thing to consider is that most of the inherent problems with old boats are known now (Cal mast step support, Formosa steel and tanks etc.) so one can buy with one's eyes wide open.
This is a very insightful thought! On the boat that I've cruised for 28 years I've learned the faults and completed the repairs and refits. Much is to be said for the history of the boat and what was done to solve the known problems.
04-28-2013 07:21 AM
copacabana
Re: How old is too old II: Design

I think there are two reasons why people buy old boats: price or aesthetics. There is no question that an older, well-maintained boat is the cheapest way to get out on the water. One can overlook a boat's shortcomings when the price is low. No doubt, design has come a long way since the days of Carl Alberg, but those old Albergs are an affordable way to get out sailing. Just don't expect performance. Just look at how many of these old "plastic classics" are out there still cruising. The other reason to buy an older boat is purely emotional. A Bermuda 40 or a Baba is a lovely boat in the eyes of many people and they are willing to accept less performance (and perhaps more maintenance) for the pleasure of owning something beautiful, regardless of the cost of ownership. Another thing to consider is that most of the inherent problems with old boats are known now (Cal mast step support, Formosa steel and tanks etc.) so one can buy with one's eyes wide open.
04-28-2013 02:09 AM
SloopJonB
Re: How old is too old II: Design

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Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
there is nothing wrong with a good self-tailing Barient from 30 years ago.
I'll take old S/S Barients over new Harkens or Lewmars any day. I've had lots of them and they are some of the best made and most reliable machinery of any kind that I've ever had. It was a black day when Barient closed up shop.

Modern boats are better in most ways except the "row away" factor but old boats are still perfectly good if they have been maintained. Worst case, you can just sit on the dock and look at them and get a lot of pleasure. Can't do that with most of the new ones IMHO.
04-27-2013 08:18 PM
bobperry
Re: How old is too old II: Design

Shaka:
That's my design. They are strong boats and well built. They have a bit more weather helm than I would prefer but they are very stiff and well liked by their owners. Nice looking too.

Not sure about cutting the asking price by %50.
As my secretary once informed me, "Bob, you have retail writen all over you."

Maybe start with a 75.349% offer.

And you can call me any time you like.
First one's free.
04-27-2013 08:04 PM
shaka2
Re: How old is too old II: Design

1977 Islander 32. I like the layout but wonder if its worth getting surveyed. Do people actually cut the asking price 1/2 /
04-24-2011 08:20 PM
WDS123 I'd be hesitant to purchase a vintage boat with a cored hull. Simply too many unknowns and too many risks.


I'd also agree with the post about chainplates and expand the comment into all deck hardware.


A sold FRP hull with a dry balsa deck will last eternity with minimum attention.


A wet cored FRP hull with a soggy balsa deck will be a eternal nightmare.
04-17-2011 11:35 AM
imagine2frolic Sparkman and Stephens Loki yawl sailboat for sale

You are going to find some old boats that will sail circles around most new boats. They were built to sail though, and not be entertainment platforms. It just depends on what you are looking for in a sailboat........i2f
04-17-2011 11:15 AM
mitiempo I disagree. Yes, construction has advanced, mostly at the top of the market. Epoxy pre-pregs and exotic cores can produce a better boat but not really in the more affordable categories. Hardware like winches have improved a bit but there is nothing wrong with a good self-tailing Barient from 30 years ago. Sinks haven't changed much at all. Most new boats still have stainless chainplates.

A boat well built in the 70's that has been maintained and upgraded as necessary and maybe re-powered has a great deal to offer.
04-17-2011 08:35 AM
MarkofSeaLife
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Originally Posted by jcwhite View Post
design, construction techniques and materials instead, how old is too old? I'm sure there have been breakthroughs in hull and rig design - .
I had to drive a 1969 Mustang for a job for 3 weeks (including some 4 wheel drifts in gravel and some fun acceleration stuff!!! ). Every dude in the place was envious and every guy on the street stared. But was the car good to drive? NO!!! A modern Korean cheep pile of junk is FAR better to drive, and far more enjoyable for the passengers!

You are absolutely so correct that there have been breakthroughs. I think in every fascet of boats and their equipment.

If a boat was designed in 1970 or 1980 it will be a poor boat compared to the hated new production boats flying off the line with ultra modern designs, production engineering and the latest electronics, engines, even to the sinks and water mixing taps.

They are now using carbon fibre as chain plates!! The strongest part of the boat now made of 'plastic'!!!


Mark
04-16-2011 09:02 PM
Ilenart I think it is very difficult to generalise about design / build construction based on age. There are some very good designs available from every decade, unfortunately there are also crap designs / construction in every decade as well. Even with the same design I would prefer a boat that was laid up continuously (and so the resins in each layer bonded correctly) rather than a yacht that was half finished over a long weekend. However this would be bloody difficult to determine.

When I purchased my current boat all the one's I was looking at were 25-30 years old and some of them were asking 20% less than other boats. One thing I used was my nose, ie most of the cheaper boats had a musty smell about them that warned me that water had intruded into the wrong areas. You could spend thousands of $ fixing these issues, plus it is an indication that the sellers probably let other maintenance issues be forgotten.

JC unfortunately I do not believe there is much you can do to determine whether a boat was well constructed, or poorly constructed 20 / 30 / 40 years ago, apart from researching the reputation of the builder and seeking comments from a knowledgable surveyor. Once you get past 20 years prior maintenance is much more of an issue, ie a well designed / constructed bulkhead will be useless if water intrusion has rotted out the wood.

Ilenart
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