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05-05-2011 02:31 PM
bobperry Spicious:
I can be wrong too.

I was assuming you were talking about keeping the headstay and adding a free flying jib inside it on a wire or synthetic luff. I'm not sure that will give you the same amount of luff tension and resistance to sag that you would get hanking on the the headstay.
05-04-2011 09:35 PM
SVAuspicious
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I'm afraid your not going to go anywhere but sideways with a storm jib on a luff wire. You need it hanked on to the headstay so you can get some good tension on it.

But I could be wrong.
I'm good at being wrong also. I'm not clear on why you think one of the new synthetics wouldn't do as well as a wire. I do agree that tension is the driving parameter.
05-04-2011 07:35 PM
downeast450 Thanks for all the valuable help.

Scotland is not off the table.

450
05-03-2011 03:33 PM
bobperry I'm afraid your not going to go anywhere but sideways with a storm jib on a luff wire. You need it hanked on to the headstay so you can get some good tension on it.

But I could be wrong.
05-03-2011 03:24 PM
SVAuspicious
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If the boat had a bit more storage space I would consider heading for Scotland.
Drop the trysail and free up the storage space for grub and head to Scotland. Put a deep third reef in your new main instead. The most important function of a trysail is to protect your regular main from damage. Granted, the material will be heavier on a trysail but if things get ugly you strike the main entirely.

I sailed in the English Channel in F8 rising 9 with three reefs in the main and a staysail. Watchstander has to keep an eye on things, but in those sort of conditions they won't be curled up reading will they? *grin*

I agree with the positions above about headsail choice. Your boat is too small for inner forestay. If you are really worried about heavy weather you might talk to a modern sailmaker about a small jib with one of the new synthetic products as a luff "wire." Just a thought.
05-03-2011 07:46 AM
downeast450 Bob,

If the boat had a bit more storage space I would consider heading for Scotland. We will expand our range to include Newfoundland. We get an occasional spell of rough weather in the Gulf of Maine and I will feel more comfortable with the means to "comfortably" manage a stiff blow for more than a day or two. I will follow your advice on the cut of the storm jib. I thank you for that, too.

We are also considering a new main sail. I would welcome your thoughts on what it should be. An occasional "cruiser's race" but mostly coastal cruising is our normal season. The old main has a "shelf foot". It is in good condition. We are considering a loose footed main.

450
05-02-2011 09:14 PM
JohnRPollard
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John:
Yes that is essentially what I have. But I have fractional rig so my jibs are pretty small.
For you, I think you nailed it, i.e. 135% and 100% or maybe 95% to be on the safe side.
Bob,

I think you're right that something closer to 95% would be the ticket -- my boat has a fairly large foretriangle. So even a 100% is not necessarily a small sail like it would be with a fractional rig.

In any case, I'm going to have to put some more wear and tear on the new genny before I make any more sail upgrades. I pretty well exhausted the sail budget on the new genny, staysail, and a mainsail over the past 3-4 years.

I should mention that I'm not deeply unhappy with what I've got. Only, that I think it could be better for how we use the boat. Live and learn!

Thanks again for your feedback. - John
05-02-2011 05:34 PM
bobperry 450:
Don't cut that stortm jib too high. You want the center of pressure low on the sail. I'd put the clew at the lifeline height.

"Storm tri"? Where are planning on going?
04-30-2011 08:13 AM
downeast450 Bob,

Thanks for the comments and thanks for a delightful boat. My head sails are hanked on and I do not have a storm jib yet. I will add sail track for a storm tri and buy a matched storm jib next. Your I-28 is so well mannered under all the conditions we have the sails for I should expect that a high cut storm jib will be equally well balanced by the correct storm tri.

The toe rails on this boat are bolted through the deck and join the hull. I think you could lift the boat from them if you had a half dozen hooks for each side. Spreading the load of a runner between three points is a great idea. I may not need it now and that makes it an even better idea!

Thanks again.

Down
04-29-2011 05:10 PM
SlowButSteady
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Slow:
If you want to throw money at your boat and get bang for the bucks the safe bet is always to put it into new sails. You have a good boat but I think it's too small for a staysail rig.

Think of it. A brand new 90% jib. Carved ivory. What could be better?
Yeah, that's the way I'm leaning (until I change my mind again ). I was also a bit concerned about the turbulence that a furled genoa would induce in the flow over a Solent staysail. Is this a problem with Solent staysails in general?
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