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04-21-2011 09:17 AM
CaptFoolhardy
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Originally Posted by Don0190 View Post
does anyone other than me think too much time/talk is spent on the techqinue to follow over just knowing how to handle your boat, so that you therefore sail back to the person
No, not at all. It is a specialized maneuver and the time to learn it is NOT when there is someone overboard.

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and why don't any sailing books/lessons ever remind you that "hey you have an engine"
I suppose it's because the idea is to get back to the MOB as quickly as possible. On a hot summer day on the lake with moderate wind and seas you may have plenty of time to douse your sails and start the engine. In more challenging conditions however you'd be surprised how quickly you can lose sight of someone in the water especially if your attention is on the sail/engine switchover. Also, if the person in the water cannot swim or is injured and isn't wearing a pfd or if the water is particularly cold, seconds count.
04-21-2011 09:08 AM
Melrna Good points on MOB. Practice Practice Practice and knowing how to handle your boat as well as your guest. Most of us practice in becalm weather. I strongly urge everyone of you to do a MOB drill with winds over 20kts and 4' plus sea state.
I believe 4 things have to be considered when recovering a person. Unconscious/conscious, sea state,wind velocity and whether a boat has a swim platform or not.
I once went out sailing in gale force winds off Long Island a few years ago. We went out to practice heavy weather sailing. It was so nasty the Coast Guard launched a few vessels to watch over us. We were out there for 6 hours. One hour of that was doing MOB drills. It was the hardest thing I have ever done sailing. We launch a large boat fender dressed like a person.
We found it impossible to bring the fender on board the boat using any method that requires bring the victim along the side of the boat. In fact it was dangerous to the victim. Here is why.
With the high wind and waves it was impossible to judge the vectoring of the boat to bring the victim along side. For boats with high freeboard it made the task even more difficult. Second, there is a great danger of running over the MOB as the boat rocks back and forth crushing the victim. If the victim is unconscious and the boat does not have a swim platform, without someone jumping in to sling the person, I don't think it can be done.
So what did I learn.
Conscious MOB in high sea state and winds I would use the figure 8 while towing a life sling in tow or quick stop.
Unconscious person - Found the quick stop method works best, drop the sails and use the motor to back up to to victim with the bow into the wind. The swim platform is a must here. Can grab the person and get him/her on the platform. Since most sailors, especially cruisers have only two persons on the boat, this is the only way I can figure out how to get the person back on the boat safely.
With high winds and sea state the boat gets tossed a lot. Maneuvering to an exact spot is next to impossible under sail alone. Every time we tried to bring the person along side one of two things happened; the person floated away from the boat due to waves or wind affecting the high freeboard or the person got SLAM under the boat.
Swim platform is a must for me for any cruising boat with only 2 persons. Since almost no ones wears a PFD, grabbing a person with the boat hook is impossible since there is nothing to grab. Even when a person does, the spot to grab that person is very small. In any kind of sea state this will be next to impossible to grab that small spot.
Mark has it right on Heave-To. The leeward side of the boat is becalm to help bring the person on the boat. This is a hard maneuver to do to bring the person exactly alongside. If the person is conscious a throw able lifesaving device with attached rope will work the easiest.
Safety on a boat is only a word unless ones knows how to use the equipment and practices all safety aspects of boating. With the season beginning for most of you, get out there and practice. Your life might depend on it.
04-21-2011 08:11 AM
dnf777 Mark (OP), Jim, and all others who have made contributions to this thread:

Thank You!

If I never read another post on this forum, you have made it all worth while. This type of thread can and will save lives. As a relatively new sailor, but old pilot, I understand that the time to learn how to deal with emergencies--is NOT when they're happening. Even the best of anything lose a modicum of control when the poop hits the fan, but the prepared professional will have training and experinece to rely on, and will act appropriately almost by reflex.

You all have inspired me to dig out an old hat, and spend a day or two or three or four on the lake practicing MOB maneuvers. And also rig even my dinghy with a throwable PFD.

In my years of flying, I've come the the conclusion that the BIGGEST obstacle to proper preparation for emergencies is the "it won't happen to me" attitude. That's not to imply snobbery or superiority....we ALL suffer from that to a degree. Those who have been doing it long enough have had themselves proven wrong enough times and have a different attitude towards safety. I really stress to my flight students that we're not practicing for what happens to others....its for when it happens to YOU. That often gets funny looks.

Again, thanks guys and gals. I'm sure I am not the only one inspired to take stock of my own preparedness. You may have saved a life that you'll never realize!
04-21-2011 07:32 AM
paulk We have an annual MOB drill at our club during a race, using watermelons as victims. The Race Committee says when the melons go overboard, and everyone finds out how hard it is to get back to them and get them aboard (no boathooks as spears!). We had our first practice of the Quickstop method with a skipper and crew of junior sailors who had had a "chalktalk" about it an hour previously. With a spinnaker up, reaching in fifteen knots of wind, we were back at the "victim" within 45 seconds. Stopping the boat at the right place was the hardest part. The crew were used to dinghies with minimal momentum which stop on a dime. It took three passes for us to pass the cushion (in this case) slowly enough to grab hold of it. Results (both time and and stopping) improved with practice.
04-20-2011 09:38 PM
Joesaila Good pointers here! I appreciate the MOB and POINT directive. I always do a safety review before heading out but missed the 'point' suggestion. I hate life jackets...air bags and seat belts. BUT they save lives! I was tuna fishing last October with two good friends and none of us were wearing lifejackets. Well, the boat quickly took on water and rolled [in one minutes time!] Three of us were floating near the upturned hull and hanging on to our life jackets. I was the first one to get the lifejacket on and want the world to know, its really hard to get on once you are in the water! We had 3' choppy seas and it took me two serious tries to get it on. I recently bought several more 'auto inflatable' jackets and will insist on people wearing them. A good friend didn't survive our ordeal and I never want to deal with that again.
04-20-2011 07:47 PM
Don0190
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Originally Posted by KiteRider View Post
I think the best preparation is to practice often and in each condition one might actually face (wind speed, waves, and currents).
30+ knots of wind, 15' waves, in the dark and the rain??
04-20-2011 07:03 PM
KiteRider
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Originally Posted by Don0190 View Post
does anyone other than me think too much time/talk is spent on the techqinue to follow over just knowing how to handle your boat, so that you therefore sail back to the person

and why don't any sailing books/lessons ever remind you that "hey you have an engine"
I think the best preparation is to practice often and in each condition one might actually face (wind speed, waves, and currents).
04-20-2011 05:58 PM
Don0190 does anyone other than me think too much time/talk is spent on the techqinue to follow over just knowing how to handle your boat, so that you therefore sail back to the person

and why don't any sailing books/lessons ever remind you that "hey you have an engine"
04-20-2011 04:35 PM
CapnBilll The point about wearing appropriate clothing is a good one, can make the difference between a harmless splash, and a tragedy. The point of making clothing float is a good one too. I was once dropped into ice cold water for survival training wearing street clothes, long heavy jeans make a good life jacket, so does a good long sleeve shirt, (tee shirt just make a ball and deflates quickly); holding breath, untie shoes, tie laces together, and tie to belt loop, You'll need them when you walk onto a rocky shore.

MOB takes practice. I've tried it several times and still tend to overshoot under sail. trailing a line is a bad Idea, but how about a line on a buoy?? An overshoot just about brings that buoy to the MOB.
04-20-2011 01:59 PM
michaelkent These are some great stories!
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