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|05-20-2011 03:36 PM|
I agree with why the name calling. They were young adults and I agree with probably not intoxicated. (read the same bad accident on the SF Bay with a totally sober large family) I have two kids, adult sons 25 and 22 a non-partier and an outdoors type partier that does like a drink. They grew up around boating and they both know that a 22ft sailboat won't hold 10 people, hence they wouldn't have been on it.
This accident happened to some who were/are good adults that made some bad judgments about a boat that never should have more than 7 persons on board if you want to operate the boat and than I feel that is 2 to many.
10 on my 32' is crowded but we can still sit all on one side without it heeling to much due to its 13,000 lbs boat weight and deep keel weight and not just a 2,500 lbs. tub.
My prayers go out to the families that lost their "kids"
|05-20-2011 01:57 PM|
Originally Posted by rockDAWG View Post
Just curious. Do you always drive the speed limit or below? If you answer is no, what if you ran over a child and you were driving 1 mph over the limit. Should you be held accountable? Have you ever had a child passanger in you car and maybe on a rare occasion not had the proper safety or booster seat but drove the child anyway using a grown up belt? Have you ever driven a car that was not in top shape, maybe the tires were worn, or the conditions (icy) were poor? Have you ever driven when you were tired but thought you really needed to get to where you wanted to go?
We all take risk, mostly we win, but sometimes we loose.
|05-20-2011 09:24 AM|
Originally Posted by NCC320 View Post
Newspaper said it was a Venture.
|05-19-2011 10:06 PM|
|NCC320||It doesn't change the tragic results, and probably any 22 ft. boat with 10 people on board could yield the same result, but the picture of the boat shows it not to be a Cat 22. Instead, it looks more like a MacGregor (Venture 22).|
|05-19-2011 09:06 PM|
thank you to all of you who joined in with more understanding than what I saw in some of the early posts
i wasn't offended by calling them kids--i have kids in their 20's too--i would still call them kids
on the other hand, each one of them chose to step on the boat and chose not to find a vest and either put it on or have it nearby--so I wouldn't put the blame on any one of them in particular; not the owners or operators or anyone else; they were adults in that respect; another 23-year old wouldn't have been able to make them wear a vest.
even so; this is so tragic that it can just stop me cold
those aren't just bad or even crazy-reckless things to do--just not taking the conservative safe route; it was calm weather and water; they all thought they could swim and were just staying in the river--no big open Bay water; there were vests on board--and all of their phones in a dry bag; guess they figured it the boat got into trouble some of them could swim alongside or they'd have plenty of time to get the vests;
then--it went over suddenly; i heard it was a retractable keel--unsteady--once it flipped, it was dark and they tried for a very long time to right it again but couldn't; it was cold and they knew they had to get to shore and couldn't afford to keep trying.
the operator moved from the rudder to the front of the boat to let the girls have privacy to use the bathroom; best guess is that someone pushed the rudder hard to the left or right and tipped the boat suddenly; a mistake; maybe hard to balance and grabbed it to gain her own balance--or maybe a wave jogged it to one side suddenly; not sure anyone will know for sure, but seems the most likely thing that happened.
5 reached shore after swimming for over 3 hours--that's a lot of will power and good determined kids. the others were in groups--and it's not hard to understand that means they had an intimate connection to their two good friends being overtaken by hypothermia and no way to help them.
those 2 boys were health conscious and nice--read their facebook pages; people of all ages praise them for just being NICE--nice to everyone--kids who loved nature, who took walks and hikes and tried to take full advantage of the beautiful outdoors---and in the end--those two--who had no body fat--who were so lean and fit---had zero protection from the cold. i'm thinking they were so fit they probably could have peeled off and made it to shore with the others. wonder why they were so far back---helping the others?
a long and traumatic night, full of big open black quiet water, unable to hear or see their other friends, no way to call for help; the last ones were in the water for almost six long long hours; think about that.
i feel so bad for all of them and I think we're worse off without them; sort of makes you wonder about all those out there who clearly DON'T care about taking care of themselves or anyone else--and how they manage to stay alive
|05-19-2011 08:31 PM|
There was an article in today's paper where they found the one missing about a mile downstream. So 2 lost in this tragic accident.
No reason given for the capsize except it's under investigation.
|05-19-2011 04:28 PM|
Originally Posted by JimMcGee View Post
One thought, maybe they forgot to put down the center board and that made boat unstable.
|05-19-2011 02:27 PM|
Originally Posted by Silvio View Post
I worry that the more we take away responsibility from individuals, the less they develop. Its a terrible cycle, and for me part of the irresistible draw of the sea is the ideal of an unabridgeable personal responsibility.
|05-18-2011 10:52 PM|
Originally Posted by JimMcGee View Post
No matter how good of parents we try to be, kids will occasionally lapse in their judgement. We can just hope and pray they emerge unscathed when that happens.
Heartfelt condolences to the friends and families.....
|05-18-2011 10:19 PM|
|pistonbully||I like how every one keeps saying "Kids" Um, they were adults. And as adults they should be held accountable for their actions. people are dead..I hope someone went to jail..|
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