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06-02-2011 10:26 PM
brak The more I look at catamarans, the more it seems that the ones I really like (and that are reasonably priced) seem to all be in Europe/Mediterranean. Does anyone think it is worth the hassle and cost of shipping a boat from there to here?
05-19-2011 12:30 PM
scottyt you also might to look at the tom cats, they are a smaller manufacturer, but they are closer to an offshore design, thick glass windows, more clearance, etc etc. they do have draw backs in my mind, rig design interior layout and stuff like that. but as was said every boat is a compromise. i love the way a tomcat looks, i wish i could get an illegitimate child of a tom cat and a gemini.
05-19-2011 11:00 AM
pdqaltair And a general purpose observation: never take a sea trial on a calm day. 15-20 knots is about right. When I bought my PDQ the PO was not keen on going out, since it was blowing 20-25; however, it was her manners in those conditions that sealed the deal.
05-19-2011 09:53 AM
FarCry Another very good Gemini blog
SV Footprint
05-17-2011 09:25 PM
islands50 For a great read about the adventures of a Gemini.
The Slapdash | No Fixed Address

newbies around the world
05-17-2011 08:59 PM
brak thanks for all the information - this is extremely helpful!

I find that going out with a broker is usually not as informative as going out with an owner, particularly one that does not have his boat for sale and thus isn't trying to bring up only the good points
05-17-2011 06:36 PM
arja
Gemini 105 MC owner

As a 7 year owner of a 2004 105 MC Gemini, several observations. Living space is delightful and well designed. While these vessels have been taken over the pond and south to the Cape, it would not be my vessel of choice to do so. She is strong, but not indestructible, like a Hinckley Bermuda 40 which I also own. I have had the Hinckley in 55 knots of wind with a mizzen and a slight bit of the head sail enjoying Cape Cod Bay safely and securely. And when the breeze freshens up to 20-25 or 30, I just shorten sail, not eliminate sail. The Gemini would be well secured to a mooring or dock in conditions such as Cape Cod Bay.

This being said, an earlier respondent noted all boats come with compromises and limitations. The instruction manual for the Gemini is explicit in following wind strength related to sail, heel, direction of wind, usage of center boards (2), all with a focus on anticipation of changing sea and wind conditions. Too much sail up is not a behavior I would encourage or support for this type of vessel. I have had green water over the hard dodger offshore of Atlantic City heading (motor sailing) to Montauk and the Gemini rode well and safely. Yes, she will pound at specific points of sail and sea conditions or while motoring.

I find her to be a safe and secure coastal vessel, and one capable of rough conditions. But not one that I'd like to spend days in the Gulf stream enjoying the best of mother nature. A vessel like the Bermuda 40 would fit better there, or heading to Block Island from Newport in a good 30 knot blow. Exhaustion of the crew comes to mind in a Gulf stream type of situation, before a compromise of a Bermuda 40 vessel would come to mind.

So if you like sailing on the level, the Gemini is a good boat to consider. True heeling is not an attribute one should consider unless enjoying something like a Hobe 14 or 16, etc. The Gemini's boards will address upwind nicely, the power leg rotation with p&s rudders offers good manuveering control, and the sail plan with the dual head sail is easy to use. For the price, I enjoy it and find it fun to enjoy, great for 'thin water' and a hit with my kids.

But if you consistently want to 'campaign' in noticable seas and heavy wind, there are better choices, like a bullet proof monohull. For both types, intelligence with sail plan and amount of linen up will clearly make things safer and more enjoyable.

In summary, the Gemini is a good vessel, well priced and good products on a well built boat. But I would be hard pressed to think that even with good care, it will be as solid as my 1967 Hinkley Bermuda 40 yawl after 44 good years of sailing and care. I have owned her for 25 years and she gets better with age and care.

Good luck. There are Geminis in both Naples and Ft. Lauderdale with brokers who would, no doubt, be pleased to take you out and show you the pontoons, so to speak.
05-17-2011 03:05 PM
pdqaltair a. I should have said 15-20 with gusts to 25 knots, which is really just a good sailing day.

b. You can judge the clearance looking at boats in marinas. Loaded for cruising is 1/2 inches less.

c. Perhaps 6" is closer. See attached for-sale boat. For certain this is without supplies and light tanks, since folks empty boats for make them look bigger. Also, no tender on the davits.
Gemini 105Mc - Stern | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

But I'm NOT bashing the boat. There are several in my marina and I think they are a good design. I chose differently because I like the PDQ better, for MY needs.
* 360 degree view.
* very solid, never a groan in any pounding.
* Better view from salon.
* Better overall reliability.
Unfortunately...
* Deeper draft.
* More steps down to hulls (because the bridge deck is higher).
* More beam (16') but still generally able to get slips.
* More $$$.
05-17-2011 02:58 PM
brak Ah, well - not a concern for me as I don't sail in 25 kts of wind

Seriously - 3-6" from the water? That sounds way low.
05-17-2011 09:32 AM
pdqaltair
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Originally Posted by brak View Post
Could you perhaps elaborate on this "pounding" issue? Meaning - under what conditions would you experience it, how does it feel, is it a problem only because it's noisy and unpleasant or something else etc?

As a mainly monohull sailor I am not sure what to make of it.
I'm sure this varies with the model; I only know of the 105 MC.

Basically, the bridge deck of a Gemini has very little clearance, perhaps only 3-6 inches, depending on the load. Most cats this size have 16-20 inches of clearance, although there are certainly other that ride low (Prout, Packet Cat). When going to the windward waves hit the underside of the bridge deck with a very solid "whomp" and the floor shudders. It does not slow the boat much--the Gemini is quite good upwind--and does not seem to be a structural concern. However, some find it unpleasant.

On a choppy day on the Chesapeake (20-25 knot winds) the Gemini will strike every third wave, while the PDQ will strike 1-2 times per hour. It less of a problem (all cats) with long period waves.

It is not as noticeable off the wind. It can occur at anchor.
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