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Topic Review (Newest First)
06-11-2011 02:20 AM
aeronca There is a CS 27 that sounds to good to be true, may go check it out. I sent you a PM.
06-10-2011 10:10 PM
mitiempo What boat on Vancouver Island?

No duty but local taxes would apply.
06-10-2011 03:17 PM
aeronca Thanks Brucerobs, thats just the kind of info I'm looking for. I have also found something interesting over on Vancouver Island, any one familiar with whats involved in buying a Canadian boat. Its used and Canadian made. Maybe I should start new thread. (I ll search first for previous posts I guess)
Thanks
06-10-2011 11:20 AM
Brucerobs2
Good/Bad

As you have seen, in the price range you are looking, there are many more bad boats than good. You found a promising one in this Hunter27, so keep looking so you have a comparison.
Things to look out for on the H27 include :
rotten compression post at base of mast. If it has it, there will be a very noticeable depression around the mast step, and lots of cracking. Its repairable, but i'd Keep looking, if you see it.
Leaks around deck hardware, mast, and soft spots on deck, particularly where the stays and shrouds attach. The rigging does not have use chain plates, which I don't particularly like, but it's fine worked for 30+ Yrs.
Check the rudder for delam of outer skin. Can indicate interior damage. Its easily repairable but critical.
Check keel bolts, and the stringers for evidence of hard groundings, improper blocking.
Motor: The one cylinder diesel motors are definitely more clunky and loud, but I have soundproofing around mine (repowered by PO with Yanmar 1gm10) and it's manageable. The 2cylinder's are smoother/quieter but you'll be hard pressed to find on on a 27 footer. 10 hp is adequate to hit 6k in flat water, slower in the chop. Still preferable to an Outboard. They are very durable if maintained.
So, you can find good boats in this price range, but as you have seen, it'll take time and you'll see a lot of crappy boats. I looked at tons of Catalinas, C&C's, Hunters, bene's, etc. Good luck in the hunt, take your time, and have fun. The right boat will find you.
06-10-2011 02:49 AM
aeronca
Quote:
Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
I don't think there is anything wrong with the Hunter from a design/build perspective. Condition is really the issue. And you like the boat.

Rather than spend money on a survey first, do a pre-survey to confirm condition.
Buy or borrow a good moisture meter - a lot less expensive than a survey.
Understanding the Moisture Meter / Electrophysics CT-33 Photo Gallery by Compass Marine at pbase.com
In addition to helping before purchase it is handy to have during ownership for regular checks.

Have you looked at this link? http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-r...trip-tips.html

Other questions - How old is the rigging? Has the boat been upgraded over the years or is it close to original as far as electronics and other items? A boat that is kept up to date by the owner may be one where things are looked after better than one that is clean but original. Engine maintenance log and receipts are other items to ask about.

Hope this helps.
Yes very much so. I have read the boat inspection tips, as well as some about using or not using a moisture meter. Seems like it would be worth it to me.
Basically we have been in the tire kicking stage, looking at what is out there in our price range to see what size we might like and just what boats in this end of the market look like. We are now hoping to narrow down the search to 2-4 boats and take a closer look to see if we think its worth going to survey.
I now think I can at least spot the extremes of condition some of these boats are in, and I am aware that even nice looking boats can have major problems. But just in the last 2 weeks it seems I can spot sort of a trend. If I spot an interesting boat at a very appealing price I almost immediately think there must be something wrong with it , because of some of these deals we have seen, where it sounded very interesting, we went and looked and there are things that are just obvious even to me,(rotted bulkheads in and around chainplates, very rusted looking keel bolts, etc) So now I am very skeptical of boats that sound like a good deal. Part of the problem is of course living here on the island and getting over to the mainland is not as easy as if I were living in Seattle. So we go to quite the effort to line up several boats to look at each time we get off island, and unfortunately those we have made the most effort and time to get too have been duds.
Anyway I do appreciate all the advice it is a lot of help.
Thanks again, Brian, Olson34, Brucerobs, delite
06-10-2011 02:48 AM
mitiempo My Yanmar is 8hp as well, YSE8. Not the best engine for pushing into a choppy sea but adequate for normal use. Sailboats had smaller engines 30 years ago than they do now.
All small diesels are fairly noisy - all the more reason to sail. If there is no sound absorbent lining to the engine compartment it can be added.
06-10-2011 02:36 AM
aeronca
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brucerobs2 View Post
I own a 1980 H27 and Have had it for 5 years, and it's been a great boat. I sail on the Chesapeake, and use the boat regularly for day sails, overnights, and occasionally race it on Wednesday nights. The Cherubini designed Hunters are solid boats, sail as well as their peers (Catalina, ODay, Ericson, etc). Based on your intended usage, and that it's your first boat, it would serve you well. It is not a blue water cruiser, nor is it racy, but a good all around classic plastic, coastal cruiser.
As you look at boats in this price range and vintage, I think condition becomes possibly the most important variable. I'd buy an older, well maintained boat, over a newer, neglected one any day. In general, boats don't hold up well to neglect. Its a 30 yr old boat, there will be issues with it. Unless you want to spend your free time rebuilding a boat, find one that has been well maintained, upgraded, and used regularly. You will find Hunter, Catalina, Ericson, Beneteau's from that era all reasonably similar. What sets them apart is how well they are maintained.
Get it surveyed unless you are willing to gamble on a large repair bill later (yes its expensive but can save you money down the road), make sure the major/expensive things are sound (hull, deck, rigging, motor). The Yanmar Diesel mentioned is much better than the Renault motor that many came with.
The H27 would be worthy of consideration if it checks out on inspection. I have also sailed, and owned a Catalina 27 and found it very similar in its sailing manners, speed, feel, and build. They are both decent boats, very common, and have a good resale market when you are ready to get a bigger one.
Thanks Brucerobs, I was hoping someone with a Hunter 27 would respond, although like airplanes we all love the one we own , but I'm very happy to hear your comments, I had wondered how they compared to Catalina 27s. Anything specific to check for in the Hunter? It has the small Yanmar and some have said it is a bit noisy. I think its an 8hp is that a bit underpowered? I am getting a complete spec sheet so that may give me some more insight into things. Thanks much for the reply.
06-10-2011 02:20 AM
mitiempo I don't think there is anything wrong with the Hunter from a design/build perspective. Condition is really the issue. And you like the boat.

Rather than spend money on a survey first, do a pre-survey to confirm condition.
Buy or borrow a good moisture meter - a lot less expensive than a survey.
Understanding the Moisture Meter / Electrophysics CT-33 Photo Gallery by Compass Marine at pbase.com
In addition to helping before purchase it is handy to have during ownership for regular checks.

Have you looked at this link? http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-r...trip-tips.html

Other questions - How old is the rigging? Has the boat been upgraded over the years or is it close to original as far as electronics and other items? A boat that is kept up to date by the owner may be one where things are looked after better than one that is clean but original. Engine maintenance log and receipts are other items to ask about.

Hope this helps.
06-10-2011 02:19 AM
Brucerobs2
'80 H27 Owner

I own a 1980 H27 and Have had it for 5 years, and it's been a great boat. I sail on the Chesapeake, and use the boat regularly for day sails, overnights, and occasionally race it on Wednesday nights. The Cherubini designed Hunters are solid boats, sail as well as their peers (Catalina, ODay, Ericson, etc). Based on your intended usage, and that it's your first boat, it would serve you well. It is not a blue water cruiser, nor is it racy, but a good all around classic plastic, coastal cruiser.
As you look at boats in this price range and vintage, I think condition becomes possibly the most important variable. I'd buy an older, well maintained boat, over a newer, neglected one any day. In general, boats don't hold up well to neglect. Its a 30 yr old boat, there will be issues with it. Unless you want to spend your free time rebuilding a boat, find one that has been well maintained, upgraded, and used regularly. You will find Hunter, Catalina, Ericson, Beneteau's from that era all reasonably similar. What sets them apart is how well they are maintained.
Get it surveyed unless you are willing to gamble on a large repair bill later (yes its expensive but can save you money down the road), make sure the major/expensive things are sound (hull, deck, rigging, motor). The Yanmar Diesel mentioned is much better than the Renault motor that many came with.
The H27 would be worthy of consideration if it checks out on inspection. I have also sailed, and owned a Catalina 27 and found it very similar in its sailing manners, speed, feel, and build. They are both decent boats, very common, and have a good resale market when you are ready to get a bigger one.
06-10-2011 02:08 AM
aeronca
Quote:
Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
While they are over your budget, 2 things to keep in mind.

One, they sell for less than asking. Maybe 20% less at a guess.

Two, the less you spend on a boat, the more upgrades it may need, for reliability, safety, and convenience. Things like 30 year old rigging, old wiring that might need replacing or upgrading. Not to mention things like soft decks and other problems.
Yeah, I'm already trying to figure such things into the equation, which is what keeps bringing me back to the Hunter. The asking price is 9900. and in this price range it looks to need the least stuff to make it ready to go. Now this is just with seeing it with my not so trained eye. I keep thinking there must be some issue with it that I'm not seeing. (we will have it looked at/surveyed by someone).

So thats why this boat is interesting to us. We have looked at quit a few boats so far and what we see in general is once below 9-10k the boats are pretty rough and by the time you repair/replace things your up into the price range of a nicer boat. Of course I figure any boat you buy will require some additional money put into it. So while looking at one of those CS27s seems awful tempting, I'm thinking even at maybe being able to get one at a bit less than asking price, we will still put a bit more into it.

I have looked at a C&C 27 here where the asking price is another 50% above the hunter and while the boat maybe 50% more boat, it is in much rougher shape/has an Atomic 4, needs this and that, etc etc. So now we are significantly over our budget. And yes I realize that with a budget this low the pickings are slim, hence asking about a hunter
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