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05-12-2015 04:00 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

Drilling would let you know if you had pure lead or steel scrap.( Which could also be drilled and tapped, with greater difficulty)
05-11-2015 05:55 PM
deniseO30
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

Something I've thought about Brent! It would be major under taking since cabin soles are usually glass over the areas where new stringers would go.
05-11-2015 05:28 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

I once saw a 30 footer in Auckland on which the encapsulated keel had fallen off, with a clean break where the lead ended. One could always still put floors in, and drill and tap far into the lead for the keel bolts. That would give you the best of both worlds, structurally, without depending entirely on either, or worrying about corrosion in the keel bolts letting the keel fall off..
05-10-2015 07:28 PM
Maine Sail
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

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Originally Posted by celenoglu View Post
The method of attachment is not important in this case, the bolts did not gave up, the hull did and this can well happen with an encapsulated keel also.

Bobperry,
Your keel can also fall off, not due to the bolts but due to the place they are attached to.
You are aware that Bob's designs have circled the globe perhaps more than any other designers boats on the planet? Not one lost keel in all those designs.

I would not own an encapsulated boat the way most of them are designed. I'll choose a well designed bolt on keel every day of the week.. If I hit solid granite I will fair the leading edge and plop her back in the water the next day while the encapsulated boat dries out for two months before a "proper" repair can be made......
05-10-2015 02:15 PM
okawbow
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

I love old school full keel, encapsulated ballast sailboats. No problems with crab pots, nets, and debri. Soft and even minor hard groundings are less stressful.

It's hard to avoid all the things in the water that can damage your keel. The average sailor won't take advantage of the better upwind ability and manouverability that small bolt on keels provide. A recent survey shows that most of us own sailboats that are well over 30 years old. I don't want the uncertainty that comes with a bolt on keel that old.
05-10-2015 09:52 AM
deniseO30
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by celenoglu View Post
The method of attachment is not important in this case, the bolts did not gave up, the hull did and this can well happen with an encapsulated keel also.

Bobperry,
Your keel can also fall off, not due to the bolts but due to the place they are attached to.
I do not think I would be making statements like that unless I had lots of professional expertise in marine Engineering and design.

Realize also, many of these boats are OLD; meaning long long past any responsibility from the builder.

Yes, new boats have keel problems too.
05-10-2015 09:39 AM
celenoglu
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

The method of attachment is not important in this case, the bolts did not gave up, the hull did and this can well happen with an encapsulated keel also.

Bobperry,
Your keel can also fall off, not due to the bolts but due to the place they are attached to.
05-10-2015 09:30 AM
albrazzi
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

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Originally Posted by celenoglu View Post
This is from a boat with bolt on keels. The boat grounded on soft sand and was left to be recovered in the morning. This was the result.
Soft grounding or not that one was coming off anyway. Is this supposed to be an example of how that type of Keel is bad.
05-10-2015 09:12 AM
bobperry
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

I've done many bolt on keel boats and to my knowledge not one single keel of mine has fallen off. I'd be careful about lumping all bolt on keels into one category. I'm quite confident this keel for the new PSC 63 will not fall off.
05-10-2015 05:12 AM
celenoglu
Re: Encapsulated or Bolt On Keel?

This is from a boat with bolt on keels. The boat grounded on soft sand and was left to be recovered in the morning. This was the result.
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