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|04-25-2007 06:41 PM|
|sailingdog||One reason MacGregor's get quite a bit of a shellacking is that some of the people who own them aren't really sailors—they're powerboaters with pretensions of sailing... that combined with the less than stellar sailing characteristics of the MacGregor 26 make it a huge target. That said, there are some excellent sailors that I know that own them...|
|04-25-2007 06:27 PM|
hey now... Preppy snobs?
Phhht, Jeeves, bring my whine!
(we jest about here quite a bit) Mac's get their share, as well as cat/bene/jene's too.
Theres even some toad in portugal that thinks he's better than everybody else so he built his own damn boat. Well screw him I say, I'm not giving up my 5 gal. bucket of concrete for anybody.
|04-25-2007 06:13 PM|
Originally Posted by halekai36
Originally Posted by Newport41
Is it just me, or are the preppy boat snobs out in force this season? Are Merit, Columbia Yachts, and anything else with a centerboard/daggerboard in your make fun of list too?
|03-13-2007 10:47 PM|
A proper rode and anchor combination should give a nearly horizontal pull on the anchor shank at the recommended scope. Adding excessive scope should not make any difference. Furthermore, who has time for such additional operations when anchoring?
If it doesn't hold at 7:1 (or maybe less), then I'd do some serious thinking about why and re-rig ground tackle accordingly.
|03-13-2007 01:49 PM|
|flomaster||Hey--it's your boat. You're the Captain, so anchor it however you want. If you have the space and the desire to clean the rhode, do it to it!|
|02-19-2007 07:44 PM|
|marycabell||When we had our IP (20'chain), it ran around the anchor like a tethered horse because of all the windage, so we took to anchoring by the stern which eliminated all the dancing, making it as docile as our B-29 anchored normally. Andrew B-29/105|
|01-13-2007 09:40 AM|
Oh my god! I don't think I'll ever be able to sleep again at anchor after reading some of the opinions on this thread. I can see it now, 15 ft depth (bottom to roller) with 105 ft of rode out there on a flat night. I'm having nightmares already. Thanks for some of the good advice here, hopefully some of it will be practiced.
The "book" says optimal holding power is achieved at 7:1, now throw away the book. If you have an undersized anchor and light rode, no amount of rode will hold you. You'll see these guys backing down all over the anchorage and not setting their hook using ground tackle that's too light. Always trouble when the night winds pick up. The more iron you can put down, in lbs, the better off you'll be. There's a lot of good anchors out there, none will work if they're not the right size + for the boat.
What's the right anchor and rode? Simple, the right ground tackle it that which will hold you in place in all conditions possible within the cruising ground without causing potential harm (or anxiety) to the occupants of the anchoring boat or others within the anchorage, have back-ups, and know by practice what will work. To use a "book" formula for anchor and rode and setting procedures without practice is disaster.
Anchor, chain, nylon rode, come in different sizes and weights, and different combinations will produce different results. If you don't have the right tackle for the anchorage - don't go there til you do.
|01-11-2007 09:27 PM|
Originally Posted by Iraklis
The logic discussed above still applies. If you've had to set your anchor at an artificially high scope, how can you trust it in strong winds? And what happens if the anchor rolls out when the wind veers - will it re-set? What does this say about the anchor?
|01-11-2007 09:03 PM|
Hi everyone. I'm the guy who started the thread (see first message)...
I'll gloat here about my initial intuition a bit :-) It was gratifying to see the "Annapolis School of Seamanship" (3rd edition, by John Rousmaniere, page 316) mention this as the right way to anchor. Quote:
"The first job is to make the rode lie at a shallow angle to the bottom. This requires initially veering out plenty of rode. .... These large scopes are only temporary. ... Once you're sure the rode is set, it's time to decrease scope by taking in line."
|08-20-2006 08:01 AM|
Many thanks for the good advise.
Thanks for all the GREAT advise. Looks like one of the first things I'll be looking into when I get home is a longer piece of chain! A wee bit more work when pulling the anchor in but if it'll keep us safer on the hook, it'll be well worth the investment. Besides, pulling up the extra chain will be good PT!
Thanks to all!
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