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06-24-2011 06:23 PM
MedSailor
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Originally Posted by Boasun View Post
Try taking a large line and wrap it around your mast in a spirial manner. so it looks like a giant screw. Have done this when I was working on a research vessel when they had to lower a transducer on a long pipe leg over the side and attach rigidly... at first it was vibrating madly. but after we wrap a line in a spirial manner around it. The vibration was reduced a great deal.
As that cereal commercial goes; Try it, you might like it.
I've done this also. Worked great. Not as good of a conversation starter at the hoisted fender though.

MedSailor
06-23-2011 12:27 PM
TimofBlindSquirrel
Vibration

Often this will be caused by the mast pumping in the top third. My C&C 36 did this. You should only notice this in the slip or in very light winds.

The easiest way to correct this is to get a small line with no stretch, connect it to the main halyward, and raise up to within 5 feet of the top of the mast. You will have to play with the height to get the correct setting. The other end of the line needs to be connected to a cleat at the rear of the boat. By changing the halyard tension, you can change the harmonic damper of the rig and end the vibration.
06-23-2011 11:46 AM
Boasun Try taking a large line and wrap it around your mast in a spirial manner. so it looks like a giant screw. Have done this when I was working on a research vessel when they had to lower a transducer on a long pipe leg over the side and attach rigidly... at first it was vibrating madly. but after we wrap a line in a spirial manner around it. The vibration was reduced a great deal.
As that cereal commercial goes; Try it, you might like it.
06-22-2011 08:20 PM
MedSailor Take note if the "vibration" at the dock is happening only when the wind is exactly abeam. If this is the case it is caused by vortex shedding (as alluded to by Bosun). My mast does this in a bad way if we're side on to the wind. Usually we're at anchor or at a slip with winds that previail from bow or stern. Occasionally when we're at a guest dock (just about never) we will get the harmonic pumping. It's really profound on my boat and my triatic stay causes the mizzen to whiplash!

So how do you fix it? You can orient your boat so that you're not side on to the wind, or you can hoist or install something alongside the mast to disrupt the vortex shedding. The easiest way to do this is to hoist a fender in the rigging. (don't forget to tie a downhaul line to the fender otherwise you'll have a new perminant fixture in your rigging!) Unlike more solid objects it doesn't make noise if it bumps the mast a little and you can move it up and down until you find the spot that disrupts the harmoics. The vortex shedding will likely happen all along the mast but you only need to disrupt it in just the right spot to stop the mast from developing just the right harmonic to "pump".

I pass this information along to you in the hopes that you don't do what I did, which was re-tune my rig 20 times (and invent a few new words) before I found out what was really going on. Unlike RichH's experience, no amount of rig tuning helped my situation. Besides, my rig was tuned for sailing, not to allieviate pumping, before I messed with it. Now it's back to being tuned for it's original purpose.

Once you find the right spot with your fender, if it's convenient to do so, consider installing a radar reflector, mast steps, deck light, or whatever piece of mast gear you might want so that you'll always have a perminant piece of gear "hoisted" to disrupt vertices in the future. I prefered this option over a check-stay or baby stay, which would be one more force direction on my already overly complicatedly (sic) rigged ketch.


Good luck!

Vortex Shedding:Vortex shedding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Medsailor

PS It's really fun when your neighbors finally get the courage to ask, "Is that a FENDER in your rigging?"
06-22-2011 02:55 PM
T37Chef
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Originally Posted by Frogwatch View Post
You'll know when you've been aboard for a long time when somebody points out the noise you no longer notice.
06-22-2011 02:44 PM
Sublime
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Originally Posted by cruisingdream View Post
I miss my old swing keel , the cable to raise it would sing nicely to let you know you were moving quickly. You could trim the sails for extra speed just by listening to the pitch of the cable humming.

Had a hobie cat that did that.

ZZzzZZZZzzzt....zzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzt...ZZZZZZZZztzzz z


I had a vibration at dock. The tension in the stays were too loose.
As far as halyard slaps, I hook them to a bracket on the life line stanchions to keep them away from the mast. I don't like to replace them so it's to keep them from unnecessarily rubbing against things.
06-22-2011 02:41 PM
cruisingdream I miss my old swing keel , the cable to raise it would sing nicely to let you know you were moving quickly. You could trim the sails for extra speed just by listening to the pitch of the cable humming.
06-22-2011 11:18 AM
puddinlegs A naked head foil rattling in a breeze is pretty normal. You'll notice most race boats have something attached to the headfoil, whether it's a topping lift wrapped around it, or a pendant, etc... to keep the live aboard neighbors from going nuts!
06-22-2011 08:02 AM
lancelot9898 A few years ago I went to the boat after an ice storm to see if everything was alright and I observed that the headstay was vibrating severely in the 20 plus knots of wind. Never seen that before after even living aboard during the winters over the years. All sails are removed over the winter months and just the foil remains on the headstay, but apparently a natural frequency was reached. I now use a rolling hitch to tie a line to the headstay as part of the winter storage to dampen the vibration. There has also been times when sailing in higher winds that the yankee starts to vibrate the headsay. Adjustment to the jib cars seem to lessen that tendency plus making sure that the headstay has proper tension also helps.
06-22-2011 07:22 AM
g0twind Confirmed last night that the vibration during sailing is the centerboard. When I pull it up just a little bit the vibration goes away.
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