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01-24-2016 01:27 AM
Re: Venture 21 vs Oday - Opinions Please

Started with a Venture 21, good boat. I sailed in some tough spring storms in Georgia and the boat handled it better than skipper and crew. I recommend it. I sailed it three years from a trailer on Lake Lanier, no problems. I have thought of acquiring one again as an inexpensive day sailor. MacGregors are frequently dissed by people who have not sailed them. This helps you as it holds the price down. Listen to the owners. I had to go through this when I acquired my Mac 70, the web sites with MacGregor owners speaking recommended them.
What counts is a boat and building experience. To me the lines of the Venture are slimmer and faster than the O Day.

My wife and I and child over nighted on it. No anchor just pulled up on the beach. Any boat that has you sailing will be fantastic, each has it pluses and negatives.
01-23-2016 11:47 PM
Kirby Hopper
Re: Venture 21 vs Oday - Opinions Please

I was looking for a San Juan 21 but they were all on the Sound (Puget) 4 hours away so picked up a local Venture 21 for $2000, a lot less than a comparable SJ 21. Interestingly it has the same handicap as an SJ 21 but when I tried to race a bunch I discovered my rigging didn't allow me to point 45 degrees to the wind, more like 50 or 55 degrees, unless were to rig her with a traveler to pull the boom to the center of the boat. I don't know if all of them are rigged like this but it was frustrating to say the least. It also did not have a downhaul, outhaul, or boom vang so flattening the main could not be done. Consequently it became unwieldy in a stiff breeze. The fore/aft balance of the sails also made it want to head upwind when healed over and drag the rudder through the water slowing it down. Other than the rigging problems I think it has an outstanding hull shape for racing. Some of the models had a heavier, longer keel which gave it a better righting moment but not mine. Also, the holes for the bolt to secure the swinging keel when down tended to leak into the cabin even with good rubber gaskets. Yeah, cheap boat, but then what can you expect for one or two grand?
03-18-2015 08:56 AM
Re: Venture 21 vs Oday - Opinions Please

I started sailing on a Venture 22. It was a great boat to learn on. I had no structural issues. When we moved up we gave it away and as far as I know it's still sailing.

It's a good boat for how and where it was built to sail and beyond that, it depends on how it was maintained. I have no idea about the quality of the later boats.
03-18-2015 02:59 AM
Re: Venture 21 vs Oday - Opinions Please

just ran across this old message but it's a continuing question: how good are macgregor products?

i own the 39th boat roger macgregor made, a venture 21. it's a light boat, 800 lbs with 400 lbs of lead ballast for a total of 1200 lbs. unlike some boats, it's entirely hand laid fiberglass. some of the heaver boats people brag about are made with chopper guns. yes, they are heavier but not stronger than a hand laid hull.

in an effort to keep the price down, macgregor didn't use expensive hardware. owners often upgrade some of their hardware. the V21 sails a bit wet but very well, pointing higher than most. her light weight makes her easily handled. her deep swing keel makes her, although initially tender, stable and shoal draft at the same time. she's fast and a beautiful sailor.

perhaps most of all, used ones can be had for low prices, good deals for a first boat.
08-04-2012 02:46 AM
Re: Venture 21 vs Oday - Opinions Please

I would like to dispel the myth about the poor quality of the Venture 21 sailboat. I have a 1966 MacGregor Venture 21 on a trailer for the last 15 years and have sailed it through most anything you get in on shore sailing. It takes chop, swell, heal, and high wind without issue. The quality of the boat is impecable. No blistering, no weakness, and superior strength in the bow keel region and cabin top. The boat is indistructable. I decided to teach myself how to sail on it and did so doing everything you can think of wrong. I've become a very confident sailor with this boat and love it more and more every time I sail it. I've worked on a 137 foot wooden tall ship the Bill of Rights out of Oxnard, and sailed the nicer mid sized Catalina 32 and 36's, Coronado 27's, Benetau 30's, and Hunter 36's. I love my boat so much that I'd rather sail my own boat than any of those. The only draw back is the time that it takes to set up the boat for sail. But with a trailer sailer you'll have to suffice that is what saves you the hundred dollars plus a month on slip fee's. I have done all the repairs on my boat myself and know the quality of the glass construction of my Venture intimately. It's a solid boat that will sail you where ever you want to go. You're on a small boat you'll get wet. If you don't want to get we don't go near the water. Have fun and make an educated choice but don't over look the Venture 21 of any year especially the older ones. They're tanks in construction and will take anything you can dish out!

03-21-2011 07:06 PM
Goblinfog With my Venture 222, I would smoke an Oday 22 in the club. He never beat me, Poor guy just couldn't stand it. I also beat Stilleto 27 on occasion. corrected time
03-21-2011 05:49 PM
LandLocked66c Great Scott! 2006
03-21-2011 05:16 PM
thank you charlycobra

I started out with a 14 foot sunfish no lessons fast boat i then began to look for a pocket cruser i looked at all oday catalina tanzer lots and loved them all then you think money then i found a 20 foot cygnus i started to redo the boat then my brother saw me stressed out and dreaming to mutch and bought my wife and i a 21 foot venture for a wedding gift 1500 came with a trailer and 2. hp second time out i jived and ran the lines aft i can sail her my self the swing keel lets me get in to 3 feet of water to walk around and have fun iv never looked back what you want for a boat and how mutch coin you have at the time thats the boat your going to love
08-28-2006 03:28 PM
CharlieCobra All you foks dissing the V-21, shame on ya. Have ya sailed one or are ya spouting secondhand knowledge? I have a '76 V-21 that I bought for a grand. Faded? yes, poor construction? no. I've had her in moderate (18-25) winds with no reef and all up heeling at 20 and planing on the wave tops. I've had her over so far on a wild beam reach that the inclinometer was stuck at 60* for 10 minutes with no issue and the only reason I let her up was 'cause I ran outta room. She's banged hard off the dock without injury (the dock fared worse) and with a 400# steel swing keel, she's fairly decent in a blow. Mind you, she needed some TLC but she's a damned good little boat that routinely runs away from even bigger boats when the wind is up. So, unless you've owned one, don't go by what ya heard on any particular boat.
08-27-2006 02:30 AM
2ndimpression the Venture is a cheap made boat where the Odays will have some quality in them. You will most likely see that on the inside where they will have wood and carpet and the venture will have fiberglass. If your looking for a cheaper and bigger boat MacGregor made a 25 foot with a steel swing keel called the MacGregor 25S. There was 2 versions, one had water ballast (bad) with a center board and one had a real swing keel (good) made of steel that weighed like 600 pounds or something. Before we bought our Merit we picked up one of these boats cheap and outfitted it with bigger working winches for the jib and some better tracks. The micky mouse winches that you removed work great as halyard winches if you decide to run halyards back to the cockpit. Get rid of the heavy 10 HP Honda it should come with and put a nice lite 5 HP 2 stroke on and a few decent sails and that boat will move and it's got some room below with a pop top coach roof. We sailed ours for 2 years and were very pleased on how it handled. I think it had a PHRF of 240. It prolly is gona cost more than 1k to 2k but it is another idea for a cheaper boat. The design of the boat was good but the construction of the boat is light.
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