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07-17-2011 11:38 AM
SVAuspicious
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Originally Posted by pdqaltair View Post
e. Neither VA nor MD county DIY collection facilities accept oiy water.

f. I believe the "household hazardous waste days" will limit you to impractically small volumes. A gallon or two.
Millersville MD has taken 5 gallons of oily bilge water from me on a hazardous waste day. Fairfax VA (for what it is worth) where I used to live took a full-size pickup bed of all kinds of stuff from cleaning out the garage when I sold the house.

Thanks for the link. Good stuff.
07-17-2011 09:33 AM
pdqaltair
A CWT Facilty.

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Originally Posted by dvuyxx View Post
I am surprised how this conversation thread turned into a debate about whether or not to dump tainted bilge water into the water or ground table. That was not my original intent. No bilge sock is going to completely get an oily bilge clean ... so if you know if you dump it somewhere other than where you swim and sail, why not dispose of it in a place that can treat/handle it properly. I was just wondering where that was. The marinas around here seem to have varying explanations ... as long as it doesn't get into the water, I'm fine.

If you had your own wastewater permit, you could treat bilge water mixed with oil and surfactants and discharge to the sanitary sewer or surface water, in accordance with the treatment reqirements of the permit. You do not and VERY few marinas have this type of permit.

The only other alternative is treatment at a CWT (Centralized Waste Treatment) facility, permited to take subcatagory B (oily water) wastes under the clean water act. Bilge water is identified in the CWT regulations as a subcatagory B waste.

http://water.epa.gov/scitech/wastete...ance_guide.pdf

These are the businesses that can treat it properly. The best known in the Annapolis are are FCC Environmental and Clean Harbors. There are many haulers that will take it to these.
07-17-2011 02:49 AM
dvuyxx I am surprised how this conversation thread turned into a debate about whether or not to dump tainted bilge water into the water or ground table. That was not my original intent. No bilge sock is going to completely get an oily bilge clean ... so if you know if you dump it somewhere other than where you swim and sail, why not dispose of it in a place that can treat/handle it properly. I was just wondering where that was. The marinas around here seem to have varying explanations ... as long as it doesn't get into the water, I'm fine.
07-16-2011 11:12 PM
pdqaltair
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Originally Posted by seabreeze_97 View Post
Thats funny about the mercury. They mandate removal from thermometers and thermostats, then mandate compact fluorescent bulbs that contain... Mercury!
...But, if you are a business the fluorecents are a "universal waste" and not common trash; they must be managed like hazardous waste.
07-16-2011 11:08 PM
pdqaltair
A few details

a. Bilge water is not a hazardous waste unless there is a material amount of gasoline present.

b. Though it is legal to place oil water in a used oil tank, the collection vendor may refuse to collect the resulting waste. Use oil DIY collection tanks generally have signs limiting the material that can be placed in them. This is a dirty trick to pull on a marina.

c. It is not acceptable to place oily water in a used AF collection tank. Same as the used oil tank, collection may be refused and there is generally a sign listing acceptable materials.

d. Many marinas do have bilge water tanks. I know Herrington Harbor does.

e. Neither VA nor MD county DIY collection facilities accept oiy water.

f. I believe the "household hazardous waste days" will limit you to impractically small volumes. A gallon or two.


If you have a signifigant volume of bilge water, the same vendor that collects the used oil can probably provide the service, for a fee. Some can pump dirrect from the boat.
07-16-2011 10:33 PM
seabreeze_97 Thats funny about the mercury. They mandate removal from thermometers and thermostats, then mandate compact fluorescent bulbs that contain... Mercury!

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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Usually a marina will have a "waste oil" barrel. Old motor oil, oil contaminated bilge water, anything with oil in it, goes into that barrel and goes out for recycling, or use as heating oil.

knothead-
"Why would pumping or pouring the remaining water out be a problem? " No problem, as long as it is WATER. but "any remaining oil residue would simply evaporate" if what you dump leaves ANY rainbow sheen on the ground, for any amount of time? Get out the checkbook, no one wants to hear about evaporation. It is still an "oil spill" and ground contamination is possible, so they don't debate it, they just scoop up the fluid AND THE GROUND BENEATH IT and send you the hazmat disposal bill.

A man in Florida let his kids play with a bottle of mercury, supposedly gotten from a potions store or found in his garage when he bought the house...the authorities wound up tearing up the driveway that the kids had spilled it on. And bringing in dump trucks. And last I heard, coupe of months ago, they were debating who would pay the quarter million dollars or so that they figured for the earthmoving and hazmat.

There are some places you just don't want to go.
07-16-2011 01:27 PM
tomperanteau
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Originally Posted by knothead View Post
I suggested removing the oil from the water and then pouring out the water. Please don't twist what I said.
That's what I took away from your post, too.
07-16-2011 12:23 PM
kd3pc
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Originally Posted by knothead View Post
I suggested removing the oil from the water and then pouring out the water. Please don't twist what I said.

I think this is the rub...there is no way for us regular folk to do this and meet the requirements of the EPA/DEQ/DNR/etc/etc....

Knot, I do understand where you are coming from....just got back from the green boxes (trash dump here in NoVA) where a little old lady dumped 4 pints of 2 stroke oil for mix in the green box, she was careful to open each one and then throw it in..when she saw me shaking my head, she said she "usually just pours all that crap down the sink, but lately it causes such a mess I thought I would take it to the dump"..

When I suggested that she dump them in the oil tank about 20' away (big sign about waste oil, waste antifreeze next to it)....she only said "oh this isn't oil, it is to be mixed with oil to make it work like gas"..when I started to explain, she waved me off, got in her car and drove off.

The attendant who watched the whole thing, just shrugged and went back to his little shack....

Now the oil is running out of the green box, on to the asphalt...no oil dry (or cleanup kit, or phone number like you see at ALL marinas), no attendant action (when I pointed out to him, "it ain't my job, besides what difference will it make"..

YMMV
07-16-2011 11:45 AM
knothead
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Originally Posted by puddinlegs View Post
This whole issue isn't debatable and it isn't difficult. Most marinas have a hazardous waste disposal tank. Pumping oily bilge water over board because you think someone else might be doing it and getting away with it, or dumping oil on asphalt is ok because it's a petroleum product is simply lame rationalization. Two wrongs don't make a right. Two wrights made a plane... that sort of thing. Chose the side of caution on this one even if you think "it isn't that much, is it?". It's just not that difficult to do the right thing.
Damn, I never should have posted to this thread.

FOR THE RECORD: I NEVER SUGGESTED POURING OUT OILY WATER ANYWHERE.

I suggested removing the oil from the water and then pouring out the water. Please don't twist what I said.
07-16-2011 10:25 AM
deniseO30 David no.. luckily it came up and out the lazertte surprised me too! We did have to cut the filller tube off flush; took about a minute with the sawzall.
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