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|08-05-2011 09:01 PM|
You should be able to find a perfect boat within 10-25 miles
Any more than that distance and you are working too hard
|08-04-2011 12:33 PM|
Like some experts say/said; "Go small go now", and they were talking about cruising, but, you could interpet it for you own uses.
There are lots of good buys out there, Craigslist,Ebay, reposessed boats from non-paying owners of Storage fees. Call or visit Boatyards, storage places and ask. I know it may feel a bit awkward and like admitting you don't have enough money, but you may get exactly what you want and learn alot about sailboats from Boatyard people (or not). Even if you have a ton of money; who wants to pay too much ?
|08-04-2011 10:13 AM|
|fredct||Go here for my post on total cost of ownership. I can see how you go below $10k (boat size, etc.) but there is much cost delusion when owning large things (such as a house). I am sure I will do the same (i.e. look the other way) but with 2 kids going into college, I am trying to stay level headed. (http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-review-purchase-forum/77170-sailboat-cost-ownership.html#post758464)|
|08-04-2011 10:06 AM|
[QUOTE=fredct;758454]I also acknowledged to myself that I snore quite a bit, something to consider when picking 2 cabins vs. 3 cabins!
Or a comfortable cockpit. You can be anchor watch while you're out there, a two fer.
One thing I tell my students who are buying their first boat and want as much boat as they can afford not the boat they actually need, is to start looking at boat supply catalogs and randomly pick stuff on the boat to see what it would cost to replace. An education in itself.
|08-04-2011 10:03 AM|
Buying a used boat, it almost certainly will need *something* done. Some kind of "deferred maintenance" item or neglected issue that you'll need to catch up on, or something(s) repaired or replaced.
I don't know how you came up with $15K per year for a 28-foot boat. I have a 30-footer and I'm not paying anything like that, nor would I.
One of the more expensive expenses will be a dedicated slip at a marina. Shop around - they do vary in cost, based on location and amenities and services offered. I found a small, low-key marina with very few amenities, but a great location, for about 60-70% of what the fancier marinas wanted.
- Equipment (USCG required stuff - PFDs, etc., plus maybe new radio, GPS chartplotter, etc.)
- Supplies, tools, spare parts for the engine
- Sales tax
- Property tax (at least down here in VA, we have to pay personal property tax on cars and boats)
- Yard fees if you haul it every now and then (as you should) for painting and maintenance
- Bottom paint and other maintenance items
There is little wonder that "yachting" generally is regarded as a rich man's past time. You don't really have to be "rich", but it definitely does incur a few thousand bucks per year. I wouldn't peg it at $15,000, though.
I've dumped several thousands bucks into my boat in the first year of ownership, but then again I'm doing a ton of work on it. Once I'm done, it should settle down, and I'll be looking at maybe $3,000 - 4,000 per year in recurring costs - the largest of which is that slip fee.
I can see the beauty of a smaller sailboat that can live on a trailer and be launched and retreived that way. But if you're talking comfortable, longer-distance cruising with wifey, then yeah, you're going to need more space - and a head with a door.
|08-04-2011 09:40 AM|
Thanks to all you replied so far. I had forgotten to subscribe to the thread and just now read all the interesting comments.
I am located near LI Sound so plenty of boats nearby. I am NOT experienced local buying makes sense.
I did get trailering quotation and it's north of $2k in the 35' range but I had not thought about decommissioning the mast and rigging and doing it all again at destination. Sounds like the total cost could easily be twice the shipping charges.
In terms of buying process, I am still in phase 1: assessing my needs and determining cost of ownership. I was initially looking at single cabin boats but admiral wants to spend extended periods on water so inside accommodations more critical than I originally thought. We have lots of time in summer so she is probably right. I also acknowledged to myself that I snore quite a bit, something to consider when picking 2 cabins vs. 3 cabins!
I will post separately my COO model. I started out thinking that the boat purchase price was the key to sailing. I now realize that one is looking at $15k per year, almost irrespective of boat condition and size, mostly in berthing/winter storage, fuel and wear and tear.
|07-31-2011 11:51 PM|
|jrd22||Good advice so far, the cost of trucking can be considerable when you add in the fees at both ends of the trip. There is also the cost of a couple of trips to go look at the boat and having it surveyed. It would have to be a great deal in order to offset the increased costs, but great deals are pretty common these days.|
|07-31-2011 07:41 PM|
Good advise. It really depends on where you are and what you want. If you are in the Chesapeake area, Florida, S.Calif., or the Great Lakes there should be more than enough boats to meet your needs within a hundred miles or so. If you get your heart set on one specific boat type then you may have to widen your search considerably dependent on the boat.
So....where are you as a start?
|07-31-2011 07:26 PM|
Since this is your first boat (I assume you are not a very experienced sailor), I would think that 100 miles is about the furthest you should look. That is 2 long sailing days away. Something that could be done for a reasonable cost (with a delivery captain, etc.).
Where are you located? Hopefully it is in (or a near) an area with a lot of boats.
|07-31-2011 06:14 PM|
|sck5||there are guys who move boats for a living. get a couple of estimates from one of them and you will know what number to factor in to your decision. I had my boat shipped from Tennessee to the Chesapeake. It was worth it for a fresh water boat in excellent condition but it could easily have gone the other way|
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