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|08-04-2011 08:39 PM|
|tdw||I'd think from a rule point of view it is simply a matter of avoiding a collision. If you swing into another boat that was already anchored when you arrived then I'd be guessing that legally that would be in the right.|
|08-04-2011 08:07 PM|
Out of curiosity, when we say the "rule" says the first one dictates the rule--where is that rule written down? Isn't it more a matter of generally accepted etiquette? In which case, we have the boater etiquette that the first to anchor wins, and the general etiquette of "don't be an ass". To me that would mean that I, as the second to arrive, have no reason to expect him to change. But he, as the first to arrive, has every opportunity to decide to change, if for no other reason than just to be friendly.
Or is the first to arrive rule actually matter of regulation?
|08-04-2011 06:44 PM|
I should note that the anchorage concerned, though in Sydney Harbour is usually empty or down to a couple of boats 5 days out of seven and even in summer will only have half a dozen boats on a weekend.
What it comes down to then is that rules say first in best dressed and etiquette is close by that. Maybe consideration for others is a different matter.
The "throw out 100m of chain into 10m of water" type is just as much of a nuisance but again rules and etiquette are in their favour though I guess thats better than the 1:1 scopers.
|08-04-2011 03:22 AM|
I agree with Simon - rules dictate that the first one down calls the shots - etiquette dictates that all others who come in later keep their distance.
It's no different to the guy who puts out twice the rode he needs and swings onto everything near him. If he's there first . . . . . the only etiquette involved is that he advises you and you stay away.
Just for the record I never do either of those things but bow/stern anchoring is often desirable particularly when a swell is coming into the anchorage.
|08-04-2011 01:43 AM|
Absolutely agree with you. Its not the practice thats at fault its the practitioners. Some are good guys some are duffers. Way of the world.
|08-04-2011 01:39 AM|
Originally Posted by SimonV View Post
|08-04-2011 01:06 AM|
Originally Posted by davidpm View Post
As I approached there was one other boat anchored. I made a loop around the boat and was unable to tell if a stern anchor was also deployed as there was a dinghy and some other lines/gear hanging off the stern of the boat. I would always give deference to the boat first anchored. During my loop the owner came to the cockpit from down below - I was close enough that we were able to have the following exchange... I asked "are you laying on a stern anchor also?" His reply - "I am - let me know if you need any help or if you need me to adjust our position."
My wife and I were able to set our own bow and stern anchors, relative to his boat's position without a problem. I was grateful that (a) he wasn't taking up the entire harbor with a bow anchor only which wouldn't be hard to do if you dropped with an excessive scope and if there were any wind change and (b) his kindness in communication and cooperation. You could tell that he was with his family (2 kids in tow) on an extended cruise with a very seaworthy boat and he exemplified the attitude we should all share amongst each other. Kudo's to his attitude and communication. Not all bow/stern anchorers are out to get you...
|08-03-2011 09:19 PM|
|davidpm||Sounds like the stern anchor trick is the equivalent to parking diagonally in a parking lot to keep other cars away or spreading your stuff out on seats to your right and left in a theater so no one sits next to you.|
|08-03-2011 08:39 PM|
Interesting replies. Thanks.
While my intitial reaction was "well they should be prepared to pull up the stern anchor", first in best dressed has always been the way I've taken such situations so I most certainly was not going to raise the issue with the other boat. When we circled the anchorage checking it out I waved to the woman on board as we passed. Her only reply was a stiff "we have a stern anchor out" ... no wave no hello. I took that to mean imanarsehole so we moved off. Some folk simply let off an air of bad attitude.
There were btw no out of the ordinary weather reports. We had a SouWesterly that had been blowing for a few days and that anchorage was exposed to the south but it was fairly benign. They had been anchored there for a couple of weeks and had set the fore and aft anchors to keep their bow pointing into the direction of incoming wake from passing ferries and the like. I can well understand why they did it, but I confess I think it was a bit rude. They were obviously long term liveaboard cruisers. Young couple with at least one very young sprog.
Anywho, our decision to go elsewhere had more to do with the fact that we would have to anchor off their stern and a boat covered in nappies was not a view I fancied. To boot the other boat in the anchorage had run a deck mounted generator for hours on end when we were last there. We buggered off to a quieter spot , better protected and without the possibility of squawking sprog in the middle of the night.
|08-03-2011 07:56 PM|
Originally Posted by davidpm View Post
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