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08-05-2011 01:40 PM
kpgraci
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Originally Posted by tomandchris View Post
Smile when it hurts so the crew does not know you are nervous.
This also works when you're single handed
08-05-2011 12:26 PM
ardoin It is too rough when my salty dogs start to puke! Rare as they are very salty, but it does happen.
08-05-2011 12:06 PM
dhays "Too rough" is when I or my crew is no longer comfortable and there is a choice. Sometimes you don't have a choice and you just have to make do with the situation you're in. Other times, you can/should make choices that ensure that everyone is comfortable.

A few years ago I was going South from Friday Harbor and made some bad/uninformed choices about route and timing. I ended up off Cattle Point at the wrong time and right in the middle of a really nasty tidal rip. Very steep and short chop. I was in a Catalina 36 and my family was very uncomfortable. The length of the tide induced swells was such that the C36 pounded like crazy. It was too rough. Not for the boat, but for the crew. The bad part is that if I had timed my passage better and gone either a 1/2 hour earlier or later it wouldn't have been a problem. Sailors more experienced with the area no to avoid that spot under certain tide and wind conditions.

The boat was fine, but I ended up with a couple very sick crew.
08-04-2011 10:29 PM
tomandchris I think that the answer is part boat, part confidence, and part crew.

I agree with Tim, the boat will take more than all of you can take.

Personally, I am confident alone in 6 footers to 8 footers (Lake Michigan) and 35 kts, but i prefer no more than 5 footers and 25 kts.

With experienced friends or my son 10 foot and high 30's. With my wife 3 foot and 15 knots....my wife will hurt me more than the boat!!! Learn to understand the boat, your crew, and yourself. Smile when it hurts so the crew does not know you are nervous. Have fun!
08-04-2011 09:10 PM
tomperanteau Our first boat was in Dana Point (you should know where that is). We bought a little 26 footer. The first time we took her out we slammed into two-foot swells at about 20 seconds. We had forgotten to batten things down, and so on top of those horrendous seas, we had cabinets slamming and things flying. We were scared!

Seriously, it was our first time out and we didn't know what to expect. You get used to things as you stretch your limits a bit each time. Now we sail to Catalina Island every chance we get. We've been in everything from a glassy sea to 15 footers, and we know we can handle whatever comes up.

We've done 4-5 day sailing trips and sailed for hundreds of miles, at times being over 50 miles off-shore and not in sight of land. Now we are completely comfortable with this. That first time that you sail out of sight of land is a bit daunting. You realize that it's just you and the water, and you gain a lot of respect for the ocean and all those that went before you. You also start REALLY listening to the old salts and their advice!

Now we're about three-quarters through planning an extended voyage. Most of the staples bought and bought radar for the boat today. You can do it, too. Just take small steps, read, and listen to advice from others.
08-04-2011 08:51 PM
NewportNewbie
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Originally Posted by WDSchock View Post
Nice to see the S30 being put to good use - 10 ft seas ?

where was this ?

We should have invited you to the Catalina Rendezvous this weekend. Handful of WD Schock boats arriving Thursday & Friday for 3 days of fun at Twin Harbors.

It was outside of Newport Harbor and it was probably closer to 6 than 10...just felt like ten...lol...My friend that sold me the boat bought a S35 to replace the S30. Wish I had known, maybe we would have joined you guys....
08-04-2011 05:59 PM
TQA Well I don't know exactly where my limits are but they are less than this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByGSM...eature=related
08-04-2011 01:17 PM
sailordave
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Originally Posted by Sublime View Post
I'd say when it begins to hurt but I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing?
+10

08-04-2011 12:05 PM
CharlieCobra What, exactly, IS too rough? I think it varies by the person and their experiences or lack thereof. What I find exhilarating scares the crap outta other folks...
08-04-2011 11:07 AM
smackdaddy
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Originally Posted by NewportNewbie View Post
I took my boat out tonight with the previous owner and his wife...they are friends of ours. We were on motor and sailed out of the harbor around sunset to see the seals and porpoise. We hit about 6-10 foot swells and the previous owner went to the front of the boat stood on the deck and "caught air" as he left his feet when the boat bobbed up and down. He was having fun. I was on the tiller freaking out. My wife was as well...asking me if I was steering properly..lol. Obviously the previous owners were very used to it. They didn't flinch. They said under sail it would smooth that out a bit and counter the motion. How do I or will I ever be comfortable in conditions like that? When should I be worried about those conditions? Is this just an experience thing?
Read a lot of heavy weather books and discussions on forums. Learn, at least mentally, the tactics and techniques that the salts use in rough stuff. Then gear up and gradually go out in bigger and bigger conditions and practice these - especially with a salt if you can find one. Stay on the conservative side of the conditions - and be liberal with the applications of what you've learned (i.e. - "over protect") to make sure you're safe. You'll learn a TON and you'll get far more comfortable far more quickly.

Just be smart and keep sailing. And, like you say, crew every chance you get.
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