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08-17-2011 08:04 AM
downeast450 Mirari,

Yup! True that! Your hull configuration is the answer to moving through the mess.

I was considering mounting a piece of ss cable between the fin and the leading edge of my rudder. I went as far as preparing the fittings and drilling a hole in the keel. My design would have mounted a small "bail" on the rudder so a loose fitting cable could swing through the rudders scope. It still sounds like it will work. It should deflect lines an wouldn't add appreciable performance concerns. I may dig that box of stuff out and give it a try next season.

Has anyone done it or seen it done?

Adding a 3 blade prop may have slowed me down a little but I don't notice it. The A-4 is happier and I have reverse power now. I would trade a little more drag for no worries.

Your hull has a lot of other comforting qualities to recommend it. I will stay with the pointing and speed we get from our fin/spade.

We do have a small Marshal Catboat that makes the lobster pot issue moot!

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08-17-2011 05:34 AM
Mirari All this talk makes me glad I have an "old school" boat, Full keel with attached rudder with the prop in an apeture in the rudder. I sail out of the Mystic area and never alter course for Lobster pots. They pass under the keel and out the back...............nothing to snag on. To date I have not snagged a lobster pot. True, my boat is hard to dock in a slip and may not point quite as high but for my sailing area I'll take the full keel/attached rudder configuration any day over a fin keel/seperate rudder.
08-17-2011 01:43 AM
MastUndSchotbruch
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Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
I agree with downeast advice. We dont have the lobster pts here on the Chessie, but the crab pots can be a real pain in the entrance to a lot of the creeks and rivers. The are supposed to maitain "flot free" channels, but thats a joke.

I noticed on our last run down from Pooles Island to Rock Hall/ Patapsco the middle of the Bay was covered with a blkanket of red, greens, blacks, and yellows...more than in years past. At night they are very hard to see.

I will be installing a wrap cutter to make our night trips less "exciting"

Dave
Just don't believe that a wrap cutter solves all your problems. To begin with, they only work when you are motoring not when sailing (which is nearly always for me, other than when entering and leaving the marina which is float-free). I have one installed for years and still have to deal with crab pots that get wrapped around the rudder or the prop.
08-17-2011 12:22 AM
chef2sail I agree with downeast advice. We dont have the lobster pts here on the Chessie, but the crab pots can be a real pain in the entrance to a lot of the creeks and rivers. The are supposed to maitain "flot free" channels, but thats a joke.

I noticed on our last run down from Pooles Island to Rock Hall/ Patapsco the middle of the Bay was covered with a blkanket of red, greens, blacks, and yellows...more than in years past. At night they are very hard to see.

I will be installing a wrap cutter to make our night trips less "exciting"

Dave
08-16-2011 05:04 PM
rockDAWG When sailing at night in a busy harbor or channels, do not scan each direction to quickly, you will miss the flashing marker. I try and make an effort to stay at each direction of more than 5 to 6 sec before moving into a different quadrant.
08-15-2011 06:10 PM
downeast450 Bene505,

If you visit Mount Desert Island you can expect to find some channels "paved" with lobster pots. I get the things tangled in my rudder at my mooring in Seal Harbor. A small cruise ship made the mistake of coming in Eastern Way a couple of years ago to anchor in Great Harbor. It took a team of divers an entire day to untangle the pots they swept up with their stabilizers. Toggle floats can be an even bigger problem as they are small and unpainted. They mark strings of lobster traps. They are everywhere!

We often enjoy ending our day's sail at a restaurant that has a dock. There are many opportunities to do this here. after dinner, if we decide to return home, it is an intense bit of navigation in familiar waters to avoid picking up a float. I have resisted installing a warp cutter on my shaft but this winter, when I replace the cutlass bearing, I am going to install one.

I have many lobstermen friends who's gear I try to respect but I am going to stop worrying about going over the side at 65 years of age if I do get fouled and let a warp cutter free my shaft. I have paid those dues.

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08-15-2011 05:57 PM
downeast450 Ottos,

I purchased my scope almost 10 years ago. It is aboard and I am not but will get the make and model for you in a day or two. This is a similar product. A little more expensive now. Bushnell Night Watch 2x24 Waterproof Night Vision Monocular with Built-In IR. I may buy another as we start doing more, longer cruises in unfamiliar waters.

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08-15-2011 12:43 PM
Slayer I helped with a delivery to Port Clyde Maine several weeks ago. As we got in closer to shore there were pots every thirty feet or so. When we were motor sailing into the harbor I stood "pot watch" on the bow. I had no problem seeing the pots without lights. I think that a spotlight might narrow your range of view. IMO,,just acquire your night vision and keep alert. You should have no problem spotting the pots with a full moon.
08-15-2011 12:16 PM
Bene505 Is it me, or are lobster pots most plentiful at predictable locations? For instance, the northwest side of Race Rock lighthouse.

It may help to avoid them to look for areas where lobstermen typically put their pots. Any former lobstermen here?

Regards,
Brad
08-15-2011 11:36 AM
ottos
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Originally Posted by downeast450 View Post
Joe is correct! My inexpensive mono scope is waterproof and floats. It is even yellow unlike many waterproof gadgets. It cost me under $150.00 and that may not sound like inexpensive but if you have ever had to dive to untangle a lobster pot warp at night, in windy conditions, alone it is a bargain! ...

Down
With such a ringing endorsement, please clue us in to the make and model!

Thanks.
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