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09-26-2011 10:47 PM
JordanH
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Originally Posted by tdw View Post
Negatives ? I cannot play any of my music which is all in WMA format. I have yet to find a Linux media player that will play WMA. Amorok seems the preferred choice but not working for me.
Cannot? CANNOT? Fear not, dear TDW.
I trust you're familiar with how to open a terminal and get to a command prompt; Do so then try this:
$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras

This should install all the codecs for the music formats of your choice. It will certainly let you play WMA's.

My personal choice is to run almost everything from the command prompt, so I use mplayer to play all movies and music... call it laziness, but it gets the job done without needing a mouse. It certainly handles WMA's once the codecs are installed. You may need to install this as well. Obviously the following will do the trick.:
$ sudo apt-get install mplayer

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Originally Posted by tdw View Post
Google Earth doesn't look as good on Linux as windows and I cannot find a version of Spider solitaire as good as the Windows version either.
I don't use Google Earth, but graphics should look as good as Windows. I don't see why they wouldn't unless your video card drivers aren't installed correctly. Do you have an NVidia chipset? If so, make sure you install their proprietary drivers... that makes a WORLD of difference.
09-26-2011 07:10 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by BentSailor View Post
Cool? Perhaps (it is nice being able to take your operating system, applications, etc around on your USB key), but it is not alwas as reliable as people might like. It generally requires having the computer setup to boot from USB before the CD &/or hard-drive and that is just a security risk most machines won't stick on as the default.

Booting from CD is the quickest and easiest method in almost all cases, no matter how "cool" some geeks think the USB method is



Excellent. Always good to hear that the device drivers kicked in without effort (that's the worst problem that can occur on installation if you ask me!)



As always mate, buzz me if you need a hand. Putting together systems that emulate / integrate with ancient (relatively speaking) operating systems and software is what gave me the financial security to leave the city for the central coast

As for the malware though, the reason there isn't explicit protection is that, in general, you don't need it for Linux. Two reasons really - firstly because the number of Linux users makes it non-rewarding to create them (not enough machines for it to work on) and secondly because Linux is pretty damned secure against such things as built from the ground up.

Basically, unless you're opening you machine to the Internet full-time (say as a web server), you'll have to really go out of your way to get anything but what you explicitly install on your Linux box to run. Remember, the vast majority of malware is designed to run on Windows, which means you have to help it to even start up on your Linux machine

As Bent now knows I only used the USB stick as if it were a CD to install the operating system. In fact Ubuntu was not happy with that and in the end I burnt a CD and did it from there.

After a few weeks of Linux I have to say that in the main I think its pretty damned fine. It boots in under 30 seconds, seems utterly stable and once you get the hang of it the user interface is OK. Maybe not quite so moron friendly as Windows but not bad overall.

Negatives ? I cannot play any of my music which is all in WMA format. Probably a mistake on my part when I first ripped the CDs but there you go. ( I also ripped at to high a quality so all my files are way to large.) I'm going to have to work out how to convert WMA to a different format as I have yet to find a Linux media player that will play WMA. Amorok seems the preferred choice but not working for me.

Bent you have been a serious help on this and I reckon you'll point me in the right direction for the music. I guess we can chat about this as we fluff our way around LM.

Google Earth doesn't look as good on Linux as windows and I cannot find a version of Spider solitaire as good as the Windows version either.
09-11-2011 11:39 PM
BentSailor
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Originally Posted by tdw View Post
I'd downloaded onto a USB stick instead of a CD cos Ubuntu site said that was cool.
Cool? Perhaps (it is nice being able to take your operating system, applications, etc around on your USB key), but it is not alwas as reliable as people might like. It generally requires having the computer setup to boot from USB before the CD &/or hard-drive and that is just a security risk most machines won't stick on as the default.

Booting from CD is the quickest and easiest method in almost all cases, no matter how "cool" some geeks think the USB method is

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I now have what looks like a prefectly operational Linux machine and while I still need to download/setup a few bibs and bobs it seems to be AOK. Linked straight into my home wireless network without any drama
Excellent. Always good to hear that the device drivers kicked in without effort (that's the worst problem that can occur on installation if you ask me!)

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Next step is to see how the DOS emulater works and whether or not I really can get MaxSea up and running. All in all very impressive though I'm a bit iffy about no Malware protection. We'll see.
As always mate, buzz me if you need a hand. Putting together systems that emulate / integrate with ancient (relatively speaking) operating systems and software is what gave me the financial security to leave the city for the central coast

As for the malware though, the reason there isn't explicit protection is that, in general, you don't need it for Linux. Two reasons really - firstly because the number of Linux users makes it non-rewarding to create them (not enough machines for it to work on) and secondly because Linux is pretty damned secure against such things as built from the ground up.

Basically, unless you're opening you machine to the Internet full-time (say as a web server), you'll have to really go out of your way to get anything but what you explicitly install on your Linux box to run. Remember, the vast majority of malware is designed to run on Windows, which means you have to help it to even start up on your Linux machine
09-11-2011 11:36 PM
Marc101 I love Linux, I have various versions I tinker with and as far as music and movies in the ones I use the ability is stock. The interface is point and click as is Windows and for a majority of Windows applications there is a program called Wine that basically makes the app think it is on a Windows based system.
As far as Nav programs and such I would not have a clue, but as of late a majority of software developers are making Linux drivers available and if not there is a chance someone has made one.
It really comes down to what you use your computer for, if it is just web stuff, movies and music Linux is allot better imo and there are many versions out there. I play with Live CDs alot which are cds that you dont even need to install anything other than allow a little disk space to save your prefs. Gives you the ability to try a few flavors out. I personally like Puppy Linux. so far everyone of my computers I've tried it had no drivers issues and only one did not have it's wireless network card detected.
Since it is free and does most anything Windows can at half the hardware requirements its cool.
There is a learning curve, but starting with a few Live CDs and you will get the hang.
By no means am I a Linux guru I mess with it allot, have it on one laptop I use for work and I don't mine answering what I can.
My main PC I still use XP since the game I am currently messing with wont run in Wine.
09-11-2011 10:52 PM
tdw Back to this thread to say thanks to all of you who offered advise and assistance.

Had a few things on my plate recently so it was not until this weekend I had the chance to actually do the install. I'd downloaded onto a USB stick instead of a CD cos Ubuntu site said that was cool. Either I did something wrong or they mislead this poor sad fool. Anywho, burnt the files onto the CD, rebooted off CD and away we went.

I now have what looks like a prefectly operational Linux machine and while I still need to download/setup a few bibs and bobs it seems to be AOK. Linked straight into my home wireless network without any drama

Next step is to see how the DOS emulater works and whether or not I really can get MaxSea up and running. All in all very impressive though I'm a bit iffy about no Malware protection. We'll see.

Thanks again folks.
08-29-2011 09:42 PM
BentSailor
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Originally Posted by tdw View Post
How'd you know my nipples were swollen ?
I'm trying desperately not to invoke Rule 34 by referring to the web-cams for those having a marsupial fetish... bugger, I meta'd myself

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Clean and wholesome ? You mean there was once another internet, undefiled ? Well I never.
Honestly? No. I believe that the Internet was designed for the purpose of getting porn to military installations even when parts of their communications infrastructure was down. All this other stuff was an unintended side-effect of the initial PlayBoy delivery system

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Not sure what you mean by support. The program runs quite well (it is single user, does not need network capability) on XP though not as good as it did on W-98. Only real problem I have with it at the moment relates to printers. Programme only has limited number of printer drivers and I'm trying to work out how to get it to ignore its default dot matrix printer and print on an ink jet or laser. I had that sussed on our old W-98 machine but when it fired itself I've not bee able to get it working on XP. On w98 I had it jigged up so that when it went to the dot matrix port and the printer was turned off it automatically rerouted to the inkjet. Cannot make that work on XP.
What I meant by support was "What do you need the emulator to do?"

Some emulators are designed purely to play really old games and therefore don't need much more than support for video, sound, & keyboard input. Others are designed for replacing old systems that connect to serial ports and the like, but tend to be less simple in installation as a consequence. Sad fact about us nerds is that we prioritise the ability to waste time (i.e. supporting the emulation of Pong & Pac Man) over the ability to actually use a computer for business - so the game-related projects tend to be much easier to get & use than productive stuff. We had Quake on Linux far before we had a reasonable word processor (and I don't care what some of my fellow nerds say, LaTex is not the same).

From the sounds of it, you'll need an emulator with serial port capability which will narrow your search some.

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oh - if you are wondering why I want to do this, have you tried buying cartridges for DM printers lately ? What's more you can only re-ink the suckers so many times.
I don't want to know. I have enough troubles with the office printer without going back ten years!
08-29-2011 09:06 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by BentSailor View Post
I fail to see how looking for help on "swollen nipples" will do any har... oh my god, what has a happened to the clean & wholesome Internet I used to know!!



There are actually several, though I've only ever used DOSBox myself. What support do you need from it?



L-IN-NUCKS. At least, if you take the creator's word for it
How'd you know my nipples were swollen ?

Clean and wholesome ? You mean there was once another internet, undefiled ? Well I never.

Not sure what you mean by support. The program runs quite well (it is single user, does not need network capability) on XP though not as good as it did on W-98. Only real problem I have with it at the moment relates to printers. Programme only has limited number of printer drivers and I'm trying to work out how to get it to ignore its default dot matrix printer and print on an ink jet or laser. I had that sussed on our old W-98 machine but when it fired itself I've not bee able to get it working on XP. On w98 I had it jigged up so that when it went to the dot matrix port and the printer was turned off it automatically rerouted to the inkjet. Cannot make that work on XP.

oh - if you are wondering why I want to do this, have you tried buying cartridges for DM printers lately ? What's more you can only re-ink the suckers so many times.
08-29-2011 08:47 PM
BentSailor
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Originally Posted by tdw View Post
FDR ... thanks for the advice .... I will remember it and never again Google on a Windows box if I need urgent medical advice.
I fail to see how looking for help on "swollen nipples" will do any har... oh my god, what has a happened to the clean & wholesome Internet I used to know!!

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btw .... ref my reamrk re Dos based accounting system .... is there a Dos emulator for Linux ...
There are actually several, though I've only ever used DOSBox myself. What support do you need from it?

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and to save my "marriage" .... is it LEYEKNUCKS as in Linus or L IN NUCKS ?
L-IN-NUCKS. At least, if you take the creator's word for it
08-29-2011 08:40 PM
JordanH Hi tdw...

My preference is Ubuntu. Not because it's more or less technical than other flavours, but because I got lazy. So here's the answers to your questions...

In Ubuntu, you can search for new software using the various graphical front ends to apt, but I prefer command line interface. You want a dos emulator? Try...
$ apt-cache search dos
Too much info?
$ apt-cache search | grep -i emulator
Looks like there are two listed... that's not a recommendation, but you can try either. If those don't meet your needs, go hunting for other packages.

To save your marriage, from the creator himself, " http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronuncia...says-linux.mp3 " (source: Paul Sladen: Howto pronounce Linux )
08-29-2011 07:58 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
Nope, I forgot! You're doing the full 24hrs? Your boat? Wombet going too? When are you leaving?? My schedule is getting blooming full already.. but I could possibly make it - don't know what to do about J though. Let's take this off-line..



Penguin:


Meet Wombat:


Aha ... at least now I understand the Penguin.

Yes , off line - nice talking to you we'll see how its all looking in a week or two.

Jordan H, well said. I'm content to roll up my sleeves when necessary. While I am a long long way from being any kind of computer expert I have been using and playing with the things since Dos was a babe in arms, indeed part of my work is trying to keep a Dos based accounting system alive in an XP environment since our last Windows 98 machine lay down, logged off and went to silicon heaven.

Anywho, I'm about to dump the hard drive's data onto a portable, do some Linux downloading and see if she flies. Will take a day or three but finger scrossed and eyes tightly closed. All will be well cos I live by the Wombat code "when in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout".

FDR ... thanks for the advice .... I will remember it and never again Google on a Windows box if I need urgent medical advice.

Tom .... even XP is a bit iffy on 1 gig if you do anything seriously graphic.


btw .... ref my reamrk re Dos based accounting system .... is there a Dos emulator for Linux ...

and to save my "marriage" .... is it LEYEKNUCKS as in Linus or L IN NUCKS ?
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